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Re: Australia vs. the United States: Two Charts that Tell You Everything You Need to
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So you agree the reality is that the Aussie can not be compared to the US system...and that we could never do the same things the Aussies do because we'd have to pay much higher rates of taxes in order to achieve still less than they do?
Aussies don't have 55% subsidizing 45%...and that is the difference in a nutshell.
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Re: Australia vs. the United States: Two Charts that Tell You Everything You Need to
Neither do we, bumper sticker boy. We have 100% subsidizing 100%, hence the pronoun "we" -- as do the Ozzies.
When you're ready to learn about complex modern civilizations let me know.
For the time being, I'll leave you to market purist, anarchist fantasies.
If you'd like to discuss my actual post, rather than come up with some silly statement I'd never make appended to "so you agree...", please, feel free. Put on your big boy pants and talk about the issues under discussion. Read the post again, and sound out the words if it helps you get it.
Re: Australia vs. the United States: Two Charts that Tell You Everything You Need to
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign
Aussies don't have 55% subsidizing 45%...and that is the difference in a nutshell.
Those numbers are being thrown around a whole bunch, is this one of those lies that if you repeat it often enough it becomes the truth..
The US spends about 6% of its GDP on the Military, while Australia spends 1.9%... that is a huge difference, when you subsidize 780 bases across the world the costs add up quickly..
Re: Australia vs. the United States: Two Charts that Tell You Everything You Need to
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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa
Neither do we, bumper sticker boy. We have 100% subsidizing 100%, hence the pronoun "we" -- as do the Ozzies.
When you're ready to learn about complex modern civilizations let me know.
For the time being, I'll leave you to market purist, anarchist fantasies.
If you'd like to discuss my actual post, rather than come up with some silly statement I'd never make appended to "so you agree...", please, feel free. Put on your big boy pants and talk about the issues under discussion. Read the post again, and sound out the words if it helps you get it.
PFnV
So let's talk facts....the US currently has 47% of our citizens on gov't assistance.
What percent of Australians do you think are on gov't assistance.
And if you believe the US can do everything the Aussies do at the same price per person, then you don't know jack sh1t.
I'm not a teacher and you're not a teacher...we're all students. Let's be clear on that.
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Re: Australia vs. the United States: Two Charts that Tell You Everything You Need to
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Originally Posted by DarrylS
Those numbers are being thrown around a whole bunch, is this one of those lies that if you repeat it often enough it becomes the truth..
The US spends about 6% of its GDP on the Military, while Australia spends 1.9%... that is a huge difference, when you subsidize 780 bases across the world the costs add up quickly..
So the question would be, is 1.9% of GDP the right number or is 6%? We also need to be honest and ask ourselves if the US needs to spend more than the Aussies do as a percent of GDP.
The answer to #2 is "Yes, we do".
Now I'm a proponent of cutting military spending, so don't try to label me otherwise.
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Re: Australia vs. the United States: Two Charts that Tell You Everything You Need to
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign
So let's talk facts....the US currently has 47% of our citizens on gov't assistance.
What percent of Australians do you think are on gov't assistance.
And if you believe the US can do everything the Aussies do at the same price per person, then you don't know jack sh1t.
I'm not a teacher and you're not a teacher...we're all students. Let's be clear on that.
You still do not provide a legitimate source... so right now it is just urban legend..
What type of assistance???.. subsidies for farms, tax breaks for the rich, subsidies for oil drilling .. assistance comes in many forms..
Did you ever think of how hypocritical it is that there are companies who exclusively rely on defense contractors and are subsidized completely by our taxes, and they use the money we pay them to lobby and influence our government?? Talk about f..ing waste.
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Re: Australia vs. the United States: Two Charts that Tell You Everything You Need to
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign
So let's talk facts....the US currently has 47% of our citizens on gov't assistance.
What percent of Australians do you think are on gov't assistance.
And if you believe the US can do everything the Aussies do at the same price per person, then you don't know jack sh1t.
I'm not a teacher and you're not a teacher...we're all students. Let's be clear on that.
If you count all of the Americans on welfare, food stamps (sic), and add to those the ones who use energy, drive on roads, eat food and don't get killed by foreign invaders, that wouild be 100% on government assistance.
Think big picture and stop seeing things in terms of slogans and myth.
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If you count all of the Americans on welfare, food stamps (sic), and add to those the ones who use energy, drive on roads, eat food and don't get killed by foreign invaders, that wouild be 100% on government assistance.
Think big picture and stop seeing things in terms of slogans and myth.
I get your point wistah...but that still doesn't change the fact that about 50% of US households pay taxes and 47% are on some form of gov't assistance and that's just not sustainable.
The Aussies have a very low percent of their population on gov't assistance. Which was a point I made to explain why we can't do everything the Aussies do.
Every single person uses roads, energy and food...do they not?
If you lived in a home with 6 working adults and one lost their job, the other 5 could help that person for a period. But if 2 more lost their jobs, the other 3 could not afford to subisidize the other 3....(nor should they) indefinately.
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Re: Australia vs. the United States: Two Charts that Tell You Everything You Need to
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign
I get your point wistah...but that still doesn't change the fact that about 50% of US households pay taxes and 47% are on some form of gov't assistance and that's just not sustainable.
The Aussies have a very low percent of their population on gov't assistance. Which was a point I made to explain why we can't do everything the Aussies do.
Every single person uses roads, energy and food...do they not?
If you lived in a home with 6 working adults and one lost their job, the other 5 could help that person for a period. But if 2 more lost their jobs, the other 3 could not afford to subisidize the other 3....(nor should they) indefinately.
Keep saying it, but it does not become more believable.. need a credible source
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Re: Australia vs. the United States: Two Charts that Tell You Everything You Need to
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign
The Aussies have a very low percent of their population on gov't assistance. Which was a point I made to explain why we can't do everything the Aussies do.
Can you back that up with something specific, PR, or is it just a "feeling" you get as an economist?
Because if you do a breakdown of where "government assistance" tax dollars go Australia is only marginally better than we are.
Australia = 52%
USA = 54%
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The principal expenditures of the national government include social security programs, which account for about 37 percent of expenditures, followed by health care at about 15 percent, assistance to state governments at about 12 percent, defense at about 7.5 percent, general public services at about 7 percent, and education at about 7 percent, with other expenditures making up the remainder.
Social Security: 20 percent of the budget, or $731 billion, paid for Social Security,
Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP: Three health insurance programs - Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) - together accounted for 21 percent of the budget in 2011,
Safety net programs: About 13 percent of the federal budget in 2011, or $466 billion, went to support programs that provide aid (other than health insurance or Social Security benefits) to individuals and families facing hardship
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