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05-01-2012, 07:03 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
Definately NOT a smart thread...definately not...
I'm a good driver....time for judge wapner!
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05-01-2012, 07:28 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
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I personally think that this topic is a great example of how bad this political season has been and will continue to be.
The demise of OBL a year ago was an event in our history that regardless of the morbidness of it (someone being killed) was a great unifying event for our country.
A common enemy to at least 99.9% of our citizens was brought to justice; the type of justice which is only found at the business end of 5.56 NATO round. It was a daring raid by the best military personal we as a country can offer, and honestly was a ballsy call by the POTUS.
However (and sadly in my opinion), the whole event is going to be used as a political hacky sack in the perpetual game of "nah-nah-nah-nah-boo-boo" that our political leaders play. Sound bites and bumper stickers for all!
I am no fan of either person running, so in every sense of the phrase, "I don't have a horse in this race", but the facts are that Obama made the call (good for him), and Romney was in no position to make that call. What he would have done given the same spot in space and time (being POTUS and locating OBL) is nothing more than a what if...
We are all (maybe giving some too much credit  ) intelligent people, who clearly care about politics - why else venture into this subforum?....are we all to the point of "well my guy did it....and your guy said 4 years ago (which in Pakistani political years may have well been a lifetime ago) that he wouldn't have"?
Let's stick to facts...rather than painting unknowns with partial substance.
Carter, Bush I and II didn't do enough to varying degrees - booo those men.
Obama got his man... hooray
Romney....who knows. We know what he said then (4 years ago) and know what he said now....but that means nothing.
We have people, some who actually became POTUS, who said one thing and did another, sprinkled throughout our history. But to pretend that either quote accurately represents what a President Romney would do when the cards are on the table is folly to this reader.
Having said all of this, I'm the naive one; to think that these games will ever be a thing of the past. We deserve these two clowns. Our national ADD is built for 10 second sound bites and quotes...nothing more.
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Great post, but I don't know why we're torturing ourselves over all of this.  There's another thread going on about who's got the most effective campaign slogan. The winner of that contest is who I'm going with. 
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05-01-2012, 09:05 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
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The question was built around Musharraf not acting. Obviously if Osama had turned up in Canada we wouldn't of had to invade. A simple phone call to the Canadian authorities with the proof would have been enough for them to act. This is because Canada is an actual ally.
In defending Romney you're willing to extend ally status to Musharraf regardless of his actions. I'd state that any nation that would harbor Osama is automatically not an ally.
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My point was that Musharraf was in charge when Romney made the comment and he was more of an ally than those in charge of Pakistan in May 2011 when Bin Laden was killed. Who knows whether Musharraf would have been more supportive but it's comparing apples to apples due to a change in leadership over there and a change in support of the US anti-terrorism efforts vis a vis the ISI?
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05-01-2012, 10:16 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
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My point was that Musharraf was in charge when Romney made the comment and he was more of an ally than those in charge of Pakistan in May 2011 when Bin Laden was killed. Who knows whether Musharraf would have been more supportive but it's comparing apples to apples due to a change in leadership over there and a change in support of the US anti-terrorism efforts vis a vis the ISI?
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That is right, "Who Knows" a whole lot of conjecture and qualification for "Etch a Sketch"...
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05-01-2012, 10:22 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
Dumb thread.
Let's talk about how Obama swore he'd close GITMO.
How's GITMO doing?
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05-01-2012, 10:44 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
Given all the garbage threads that are started in this forum, it's amusing to see people coming out to label this one as stupid.
Was alternating b/t espn and fox news yesterday (owner of gym is a rightie), and it appeared that the fox hosts were criticizing Obama for killing bin laden rather than capturing him. Funny stuff.
if Bush had killed him the pubbies would have been pushing for a Constitutional amendment and a 3rd term.
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05-01-2012, 10:49 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
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Given all the garbage threads that are started in this forum, it's amusing to see people coming out to label this one as stupid.
Was alternating b/t espn and fox news yesterday (owner of gym is a rightie), and it appeared that the fox hosts were criticizing Obama for killing bin laden rather than capturing him. Funny stuff.
if Bush had killed him the pubbies would have been pushing for a Constitutional amendment and a 3rd term.
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Speaking for just me....my point was the "turning OBLs demise into a political check mark" is dumb although I expect that much.
I also thinks it dumb to treat sounds bites (of anyone) as some sort of gospel when you remove time, space and context from it.
That would be like my wife going through my HS yearbooks and holding stupid ***** I wrote 11+ years ago against me now.
EDIT - However Chico, I do agree wholeheartedly with your opening line.
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05-01-2012, 11:05 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
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Let's see 247 Marines were killed by Hezbollah during the watch of Ronald Reagan in Lebanon, and he did nothing except withdraw the marines.....
GB I had Saddam Hussein on the run, and he took his foot off of the throttle..
GB II had Osama Bin Laden in his sights in Tora Bora, and no one would make the call from inside the Beltway..
There has been precedence for not doing something, so when something is finally done it should be remembered.. god knows there has been enough embarassment on the world stage recently.
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LOL.......
why didn't you say something about Clinton?
- WTC bombing in 1993
- twin embassy bombings in 1998
- USS cole in 2000
what was the response? blowing up an aspirin factory in Sudan
9/11 happened because of clinton's policies
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05-01-2012, 11:07 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
in case anyone didn't notice, OBL was done anyway. any gains made by taking him out were only for show as he was no longer ochestrating anything.
other than revenge factor, taking him out was meaningless
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05-01-2012, 11:10 AM
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Re: "Jimmy Carter would have made that call..." But Mitt wouldn't.
Romney is such a dipS#!t...
Carter DID make the call, somehow he must've forgotten those pesky Iranian hostages..
Iran hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The episode reached a climax when, after failed attempts to negotiate a release, the United States military attempted a rescue operation, Operation Eagle Claw, on April 24, 1980, which resulted in a failed mission, the deaths of eight American servicemen, one Iranian civilian, and the destruction of two aircraft.
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