Harry Boy

Cheap *****, Yes Not controlling myself yes, running to the mods NEVER, NEVER. there isn't a Mod on this forum who has ever had me Rat on anyone or run anyone down.

I am a conservative therefore I am the one who gets the *****, I am a Proud Neo Con.

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chicowalker

Savage is an advocate for gay rights. I don't think it's legit to criticize him for advocating only for gay rights, if I'm understanding you here.


Most are not, but that's part of what Savage was pointing out. There ae plenty of Christians who point to the bible to justify this bigotry while conveniently ignoring other aspects of the bible, including other aspects of the same books they are citing.

As for church teachings, yes, they are taught to help others. They are also taught that homosexuality is a sin, and these seems to be some special emphasis on homosexuality, since many of the church's teachings are so regularly ignored when pointing out people's so-called transgressions.


I'm skeptical that he doesn't see a distinction. He didn't blame all Christians, he didn't even attack Christians. He pointed out the inconsistencies that many are all too happy to ignore.

I also wouldn't be so confident about bullying and ignorance of the bible. In New England, perhaps. But in the south and midwest, there is far more knowledge of the bible, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is less tolerance of homosexuality. I don't think those things are independent of one another in terms of causation, and I don't think the people who are bigoted toward homosexuals would generally be ingorant of the bible.

As for being real Christians, I agree with you. But, then, I question how many people in official church positions are even "real Christians," given what they focus on versus what Jesus actually taught.


I don't think you can neatly delineate between bigotry and bullying. While there is bullying that is unrelated to bigotry, and bigotry that doesn't involve bullying, there is a lot of overlap.

I don't know what you heard in that clip that was lazy or a stereotype. Maybe you can be more specific. What I heard was mostly factual, and I've asked here what he said that was not factual.

If he is a bigot, let's hear examples of what he has said that is bigoted. Pointing out inconsistencies in some people's faith re. the bible isn't bigotry. As I've brought up before, it's the same as pointing out inconsistencies b/t extremist Muslims' claims re Islam and what the Quran says -- that's not an attack on Islam, it's an attack on the extremists -- those who are hijaclking the faith.

As for pansy asses, was that necessary? No. Was it really so harsh? No. His quote: “It’s funny, as someone who is on the receiving end of beatings that are justified by the Bible, how pansy-ass some people when you push back.” I don't call that bullying, and it's barely offensive language (I know my high school football and lacrosse coaches called us far worse regularly). Plus, it's accurate, and I think it's symptomatic of many Christians in this nation -- anybody not accepting their views, or daring to question them, is seen as "attacking" them -- which is ridiculous given how widespread christianity is in our nation and how often it is Christians doing the "attacking" (to use their term).

chicowalker

right, you just whine incessantly in the forum. Kudos...

yeah, that's why

folks like RealWorld, SBS42 (not as far right, admittedly), etc., don't get the criticism that you justifiably do -- because they don't post the garbage that you regularly post

sdaniels7114

What you are is a racist, misogynistic bigot who puts the tiniest layer of civility over your garbage and then acts all hot and bothered when people call you out for it. I don't give a damn about Patters' dumb rule interpretations. When you say liberals should be shot in the face you're

TALKING ABOUT ME

I know that and you know it too. So save the 'I'm honorable, I never rat anyone out' schit. That sort of talk is reserved for people who don't take advantage of every sleazy little loophole in the stupid set of rules we operate under here.

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PatsFanInEaglesLand

All you liberal posters on this board who want to give Harry crap for giving his POV, just remember he is still here to take your crap. Titus Pullo was a previous poster who was banned and has come back under that name. It is sickening that neither Patters of PF13 have done anything about this. When you moonbats call for new mods I am right there with you.

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PatsWSB47

He singled out the bible and left me with the impression that was his target and focus for the route of bullying. Had he made a distinction I would have cut him some more slack. Most of these bullies that go around harassing gays are redneck, macho homophobes that most likely haven't opened a bible or stepped into a church in years. Had he suggested that I would have cut him more slack.

Some Christians may feel under attack simply by people disagreeing with them(I think thats a separate issue) but don't give a talk on bullying and hone in on bible verses to make your case. That is an attack. Most of what's going on out there has nothing to do with what an Old Testament verse says. Bullies bully. Murderers murder. Sexists...s, well you know what I mean, Rapists rape, Thieves steel. A bible verse can be found to rationalize anyone of those things. I would feel the same if anyone honed in on those verses to make the case for anti-anyone of those. Each and every one of them is inconsistent with the Christian faith. But when you make them the focus of your seminar then you are distorting the faith and frankly are ignoring the real rout of the problem which is redneck homophobia. Bible thumping bullies are only a small part of the problem.

I don't consider his name calling bullying BTW, just immature name calling. I'm not offended with the actual language (I can swear like a sailor), but with the spirit of it. It was uncalled for and presumptuous of him to think that the people who left just can't handle the truth about themselves or their faith. It was presumptuous to think that they would use Leviticus to justify bullying.

PatsFanInVa

1. For those who only have that terribly outdated Word 1.0, the term "Old Testament" is itself pejorative.

2. Said collection of works refers to homosexuality as an abomination, and it refers to eating shellfish as an abomination, and it advises us to kill witches. The majority of both Christians and Jews have gotten over the witches. Probably the majority of both Christians and Jews have gotten over the shellfish, by this point -- certainly the majority of Christians. Point being: This preciousness in protection of the Hebrew bible makes very little sense.

3. Politically, this is the money point: Read what the sniffly contingent says their complaint is, and then read their grounds (i.e., what Savage actually said, according to them.)

At no point, even according to their own retelling, did he refer to or bash "Christians." He talked about the bible.

A lot of us come from families that know religious persecution. This isn't it.

4. Savage is gay. I'm not. He knows better than I whether people beating the crap out of someone (physically or emotionally) for being gay references the bible as part of the preliminary taunting. It sounds like he's taking a shortcut, but I don't know. I do know that part of Jew-bashing in small town Virginia, when I was growing up, was bible-based. "How come you don't believe in Jesus?" "How come you do?" "Cuz it says in the bible. How come you don't believe in the bible?" "I believe in the part God gave to the Jews." "How come you don't believe in Jesus?" "How come you do?" "Boy you better shut up about Jesus..." Yeah, that conversation is a lot less sophisticated in middle school - then you get the opportunity to protect the honor of your people. Yay.

So I'm not so certain he's taking a short-cut -- anybody know whether that's a direct part of anti-gay bullying?

If he is taking a short-cut, that would be to substitute the origin of the taboos causing bullying, for a direct mechanism for bullying.

5. The contention of the walk-outs seems to be that they came to hear about how bad bullies are, but they heard that some things that are bad came from the bible. So they are calling it bait-and-switch.

However, Savage's point of view seems to be that biblical text condemning homosexuality is part and parcel of a culture that bullies homosexuals. It does seem like a fairly solid piece of the pie.

How do you square the ancient theocracy's belief in killing homosexuals with an attitude that we all must toe the line, that every word of the bible is right and good? I simply don't believe it, nor do I think that assertion should go unchallenged -- particularly for a movement concerned in large part with keeping gay kids from killing themselves.

And in terms of internalizing bullying to your detriment?

What does that tell you, if you grow up going to a church or synagogue which at least pays lip service to the idea that gays deserve to die? Even the hip ones don't cut out the "kill the gays" parts of their bibles.

What do they need to hear, on that score?

Exactly. You don't have to believe the bullsh1t in the bible. Does that mean you must pitch your entire religion (regardless of which one?) No, it means you don't have to believe the bullsh1t parts. In large part, that's exactly what mainline churches have decided too.

No, it's not a hate-crime to call killing gays for being gay bullsh1t. That's the part of the bible he was talking about.

There's a great interest these days among the literalist interpreters of the bible to claim that they're victims if other people free themselves of toxic indoctrination.

We should rejoice -- it's been a long time since the "believe or die" days. Now the little ayatollahs among us have to try to appeal to liberal guilt to take over the country and bend us all to their will.

By the way, wonder if the folks that walked out in their big Norma Ray moment have their ACLU cards... or don't they believe in religious freedom for all?

PFnV

DarrylS

Now the dead breitbart society has nine.. 9 ... articles on this and attempting to link Dan Savage to Obama...

This walkout looks like it was very much pre-organized. Given that organized nature (ie at the first mention of Christianity), I'm wondering if there is a group that said students belong to that actually coordinated this and instructed them as to when to do their protest.

Little religious zombies, then take a video.. it is all staged, and none of this is real, including the outrage... O'Keefe and his zombie followers have learned to stage this stuff..

If you really wanted to be a journalist, stay for the whole thing and report on it.. you need a thick skin.

The biggest fools are those who believe things are what they are, instead of a staged event...

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IcyPatriot

Sheesh titus you are reverting back to your maverick4 days ... u looking for a banned redux play?

wistahpatsfan

Religion is funny. Chech this out- also funny:
Ann Coulter wants Jews "to be perfected" - YouTube

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