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Are Church Confessions Safe? Court To Hear Arguments « CBS Detroit

It used to be sacred that anything said to a clergy was protected, no matter what. It's scary if this is overturned. Yes, it is a heinous crime, he's accused of, but if you can't speak to your priest, minister or rabbi without knowing it is held in confidence, what would be the end result????
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This crosses R/D lines

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa

I was always under the impression that it only remained private if it was done in the confessional and if the person was seeking absolution or God's forgiveness through the priest or minister. In other words, the priest/minister/rabbi had to be "working," not just conversing....just like patient/doctor privlege only exists if there's a patient/doctor relationship. If I run into my doctor at a football party and I tell him that I just robbed the hot dog vendor, he's perfectly within his rights to tell the nearest cop.

According to the minister's story, the suspect in question had not asked forgiveness or absolution, his mother was present (which would negate any sort of 2 person confidentiality between a priest and his penitent) and it was the priest asking questions and the suspect answering.

Maybe a shady grey, but I dunno. I think I'd be ok with it if that's what actually happened.

DarrylS

Interesting case, because of all of the extranious circumstance.. a whole lot of grey here.

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Patsfanin Philly

It's interesting that certain states exempt child abuse from clergy privilege, likely to protect the victim as the greater good....

Clergy as Mandatory Reporters of Child Abuse and Neglect: Summary of State Laws

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Harry Boy

Never tell a preacher anything, never, if you want to tell somebody tell it to your God when yu are alone in the dark, tell him in your mind never tell him out loud a preacher or your spouse might be listening.

GOD WILLING

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wistahpatsfan

Never understood that whole secrecy thing being special priviledge for clergy. This is part of the whole "mystery" of religious fanatics who assert their power and dominion over the flock. Why do they have this protection? Because God has granted them the status as a special channel of communication between heaven and Earth. Why do we believe this garbage? Because we're told it is true and an article of faith. What does this have to do with the reality of Law? Nothing.

Hopefully the clergy's institutional theft of money and rape of children has given society enough skepticism to ask why we still believe their crap. I hope the court strike this moronic adherence to superstitious bull***** down swiftly and strongly.

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Harry Boy

I always wondered if those women abusing, hypocritical, whore mongering Kennedys went to confession, can you just imagine being a young innocent Priest sitting in a closet and listening to the sins commited by JFK, Bobby and Unce Teddy, that would be enough to make me leave the priesthood.

Remember "Cardinal Cushing" those Kennedy's were his heros.

Poor old Rose the mother spent her whole married life in church asking God to forgive them and her bootlegging philandering husband, old Joe the father made a fool out of his own wife.


"blb, blub, gasp, save me teddy, please call the police, gurgle"

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Real World

Why would you understand it? You despise religion. It's like your average female trying to understand why most men become raging lunatics after their favorite team loses in the SB. They can't. Thankfully the founders stuck that pesky little amendment into the Constitution that protects the rights of the faithfull.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

chicowalker

It sounds like the actual laws don't offer a blanket confidentiality privilege -- just when the privilege is related to the religion. Which would be required for there to be freedom of religion.

(whether that actually applies in this case is an interesting question)

wistahpatsfan

Oh! Now I despise religion! Before I despised religious people. Well, at least you've finally gotten it right. Too bad you're too blinded by your reverence for superstition to understand that no one's taking away the rights of anyone to practice religion. They're just challenging the idea that these clergy frauds have given themselves priviledges that no one else has simply because they claim to have them by divine right. Same reason kings claim their authority. It has nothing to do with anything that's been "commanded by God" or even written in the Koran, Bible or Torah. It's all crap made up by men and you know it.

Religion is religion. This is about the Law. Just because some bishops made up a rule in the Middle Ages so they could murder and rape at will without consequences is no reason to continue the practice. If someone commits a crime and a priest knows who did it, why should that priest be granted the right to obstruct justice? What if the victim doesn't belong to that religion (or does) and wants justice? What if, because of that magical priviledge, the perp goes on to commit another crime, then another, when the priest could have- and should have-reported the crime. What about the rights of the victims? This mysterious supernatural connection with god that the clergy claim to have is nonsense. Just because you confess your sins is no reason you should never have to pay for them, and ten "Our Fathers" and twenty "Hail Marys" don't cut it sometimes.

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