Asian discrimination in college admissions, again? - New England Patriots Forums

PatsWSB47 · 02-03-2012, 10:06 AM

This particular case may or not fit,(too early to say for sure) but the article uncovers some pretty interesting back up for the trend. Maybe the admissions department is led by people with low I.Q.'s

Asian-American Claims Harvard, Princeton Denied Admission Based On Race

Asian-American Claims Harvard, Princeton Denied Admission Based On Race

The U.S. Education Department's Office of Civil Rights is investigating Harvard and Princeton after receiving a complaint from an Indian-American student last August claiming that both Ivy League universities discriminated against him during the college admissions process because he was Asian, according to a report published today on Bloomberg's website.

Admissions counselors at elite colleges have also confirmed that Asians face a tougher time during college admissions. Writing for the Boston Globe, Kara Miller shared her experience working as a reader for Yale's Office of Undergraduate Admissions:

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...It became immediately clear to me that Asians - who constitute 5 percent of the US population - faced an uphill slog. They tended to get excellent scores, take advantage of AP offerings, and shine in extracurricular activities. Frequently, they also had hard-knock stories: families that had immigrated to America under difficult circumstances, parents working as kitchen assistants and store clerks, and households in which no English was spoken. But would Yale be willing to make 50 percent of its freshman class Asian? Probably not.

PatriotsReign · 02-03-2012, 10:39 AM

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This particular case may or not fit,(too early to say for sure) but the article uncovers some pretty interesting back up for the trend. Maybe the admissions department is led by people with low I.Q.'s

Asian-American Claims Harvard, Princeton Denied Admission Based On Race

Asian-American Claims Harvard, Princeton Denied Admission Based On Race

The U.S. Education Department's Office of Civil Rights is investigating Harvard and Princeton after receiving a complaint from an Indian-American student last August claiming that both Ivy League universities discriminated against him during the college admissions process because he was Asian, according to a report published today on Bloomberg's website.

Admissions counselors at elite colleges have also confirmed that Asians face a tougher time during college admissions. Writing for the Boston Globe, Kara Miller shared her experience working as a reader for Yale's Office of Undergraduate Admissions:

Maybe some idiots think Asians don't need as much help as African or Latino-Americans?

***Harry Boy*** · 02-03-2012, 10:46 AM

The liberals don't give a ***** about Asians, never did.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 02-03-2012, 11:48 AM

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Maybe some idiots think Asians don't need as much help as African or Latino-Americans?

Some have certainly implied so, yes.

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I actually DID "come out and say it"...I said Asians and people from India seem to do better than average in America.

A lot of Republicans really are racist

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But racism isn't about black vs. white, so when you put these numbers before us;

Household:
White - 54,461
Black - 32,584
Latino - 38,039
Asian - 65,469

It shows that Asian-American households are leading the nation in income. How did they get to the top? After all, Asian as a race is more of a minority than African-Americans. Blacks outnumber Asians almost 4-1.

Are whites racially oppressed?

PatriotsReign · 02-03-2012, 12:17 PM

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Some have certainly implied so, yes.

A lot of Republicans really are racist

Are whites racially oppressed?

Nice try, but the IDIOTS I am referring to are those who believe that Asians from low income household's need less help than other low income households.

And that is blatantly false.

As a whole, Asians do very well in America. But that doesn't imply that Asians of the same income demographics as any other person deserve any less support.

Honestly, when it comes to education funding (scholarships), race shouldn't even be considered. The only relevant issue is ability to pay. And if we're going to support programs to help MINORITIES, then it has to include all minorities. Not just a select few.

Admissions Officer: "Ok, so we have 3 candidates from similar income households. Wow! One is an exceptional student with impeccable scores...oh, wait, we can't help her because the other 2 candidates are African-Americans and she's just an Asian."

Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 02-03-2012, 12:26 PM

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Nice try, but the IDIOTS I am referring to are those who believe that Asians from low income household's need less help than other low income households.

And that is blatantly false.

As a whole, Asians do very well in America. But that doesn't imply that Asians of the same income demographics as any other person deserve any less support.

Honestly, when it comes to education funding (scholarships), race shouldn't even be considered. The only relevant issue is ability to pay. And if we're going to support programs to help MINORITIES, then it has to include all minorities. Not just a select few.

Where, in the lawsuits which are under discussion in this article, does it state that any of those refused admission concerned any sort of financial aid or scholarship grants?

***IcyPatriot*** · 02-03-2012, 02:45 PM

That stuff was discussed back when I graduated high school ... still there I guess. Some colleges want broad demographics on their campus ... racially diverse ... sucks if you come from a pool of smart people. Sucks if you also come from a smart town or state ... they don't want to many of one type of student from anywhere.

Patsfanin Philly · 02-03-2012, 05:01 PM

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That stuff was discussed back when I graduated high school ... still there I guess. Some colleges want broad demographics on their campus ... racially diverse ... sucks if you come from a pool of smart people. Sucks if you also come from a smart town or state ... they don't want to many of one type of student from anywhere.

Ironically the geographic diversity thing started as a way to reduce the number of Jews on college campuses in the 1920s. The old Guard at a few Ivy League colleges were concerned that their pristine halls were being occupied by the children of immigrants from the Lower East Side and Roxbury and had to find a way to reduce the number of Jews. They came up with geographic diversity figuring that there were not that many MOT (member of the tribe) in Nebraska and Iowa....And that as Paul Harvey used to say is the rest of the story...

Harvard's Jewish Problem

PatriotsReign · 02-03-2012, 05:33 PM

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Where, in the lawsuits which are under discussion in this article, does it state that any of those refused admission concerned any sort of financial aid or scholarship grants?

So now we're going to talk in circles...you ask me a question instead of responding to my points?

Just to humor you, the article didn't discuss financial aid, it discussed admissions. I brought that up relative to scholarhsips/financial aid becaue they're all related. And because I read this quote;

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Frequently, they also had hard-knock stories: families that had immigrated to America under difficult circumstances, parents working as kitchen assistants and store clerks, and households in which no English was spoken.

In your opinion, is it fair to admit an African-American student over an Asian-American student if they have similar hard-knock backgrounds?

PatriotsReign · 02-03-2012, 05:42 PM

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Ironically the geographic diversity thing started as a way to reduce the number of Jews on college campuses in the 1920s. The old Guard at a few Ivy League colleges were concerned that their pristine halls were being occupied by the children of immigrants from the Lower East Side and Roxbury and had to find a way to reduce the number of Jews. They came up with geographic diversity figuring that there were not that many MOT (member of the tribe) in Nebraska and Iowa....And that as Paul Harvey used to say is the rest of the story...

Harvard's Jewish Problem

"The Jews!"...it wasn't that long ago...and seems almost unreal. Same for all prejudice and racist things that happened in this nation. Those who weren't victims can easily forget...but not if your ancestors were victims.

Thank you Philly....you just educated me...I didn't have a clue that happened. I can only pretend to understand that and we need people like you to keep telling these little known bits of history.

The wierd thing for me is that even the Irish bore the brunt of brutal prejudice when they first started coming here...and I'm sure the Italians and Polish would say the same thing. But it didn't last long and for whatever the reason, we don't pass on such stories. Where Jews, African-Americans and other minorities have felt it for generations.