Patsfanin Philly

Having two high school students applying to college now ( one a senior, one a junior) my knowledge base is a little higher than it was several years ago. There are a plethora of sites where students can enter their GPA/SAT scores and profiles and see on a scatter-plot the students over the last few years who were accepted,rejected, waitlisted and deferred at a specific university. In almost every case where there is an outliar such as a student with very high SAT scores and high GPA who should have gotten in considering all the scores around them but was rejected, checking the profiles reveals that those students were either Asian or East Indian in ethnicity. Where there is smoke, there is often fire and in this case, I believe there is discrimination against some very qualified students because of their ethnicity and that is wrong....

How Diversity Punishes Asians, Poor Whites and Lots of Others

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PatsWSB47

Thanks for bring this thread back on topic. This should be addressed. I'm curious though why there is so little discussion about it in this forum.....politically correct threads abound here. I think this Asian discrimination admission policy denial is a poster child of it. Let's take our heads out of the sand and face it for what it is. Good qualified kids are are being shut out. "Make up calls" are not the answer.

PatriotsReign

With the exception of this post, I just read every post in this thread and not one was off-topic SB42.

Every post mentioned discrimination and/or Asians.

So what are talking about?

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Harry Boy

Liberals have a tendecy to "ignore" Asians in fact they seem to want nothing to do with them at all.
Asians don't seem to need the Liberals slopping and slobbering and feel good fawning *****.
Asians take care of themselves, they work hard, they are smart, they demand NOTHING, they aren't obsessesd with sex crap, etc etc.

Liberals don't like these kind of minorities and those kind of minorities don't like Do-Gooders nor do they need them.

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PatsWSB47

The question isn't why some people think other groups should get more, the question is why Asians are being shut out? It doesn't make sense.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

I don't know....if Asians make up only 4.7% of the US population and they make up 16% of the students at Harvard and 18% at Princeton it doesn't seem like they're being shut out on a racial basis, does it?

Especially not when you consider that blacks compromise 7% and Hispanics, 8% of total enrollment when they make up 12.2% and 16.3% of US population respectively.

Demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hamar

So, would it be ok to apply that same logic to everything racial? Just curious.

PatriotsReign

College enrollment and percent of population are not linked and should not be linked.

We do not a have a quota system. That's something that drives many more qualified students nuts and understandably so.

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PatsWSB47

Are you suggesting they're getting preferential treatment? I know you aren't but this is an example of where raw stats don't tell the story. On the contrary, I think their overwhelming success in earning their places in universities has led to "diversity guru's" to butt in and level the field.

Hmmm only 4.7% of the population and there's 18% enrolled here?....why we have to put a stop to that! That can't be fair. We just have too many Asians, qualifications be damned.

I really think this attitude lurks in some of these universities. Their "do gooder" intentions are hypocritical in my opinion.

Do colleges redline Asian-Americans? - The Boston Globe

Some Asians' college strategy: Don't check box

Washingtonpost.com: Affirmative Action Special Report

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

First off, let me say that I'm not trying to make this a pizzing contest....I have no dog in this fight and the subject is not something I've ever managed to make my mind up about in several respects. I'm basically trying to play devil's advocate - and perhaps get some opinions which may help me come to a personal decision in the process.

If you read this thread, Stop Complaining, Start Signing, you'll find that several people felt that a private school can set any guidelines they wish. If you talk to a Ron Paul supporter, you'll find that they believe that any private entity has the right to refuse services to anyone based on their own personal beliefs.

Harvard and Princeton, the two universities being discussed here, are private schools - because of that, aren't they allowed to set their own admssions policies - and their own sliding SAT scales based on whatever they want?

Normally I would argue that no, they are not - as long as they take public funds and accept government money they should be expected to follow federal guidelines - but, as PR points out, there are no racial quotas - so that's out as an argument.

I don't know the answer - and, as I said, I'm not even sure how I feel about it - but, so far, based on the opinions here, that evil liberal state, California, is doing it right and should be setting the example for the rest of the states (and private institutions, as well) with their law which legally prohibits public universities from considering race in admissions. At the University of California Berkeley, for example, 40 percent of undergraduate students are Asian.