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Old 07-29-2008, 01:31 PM   #11
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First and foremost, as is always the case, her death is obviously tragic. She's not some loser child molester, or some home invader. She's simply a 23 year old who likes to do drugs. Having dabbled a bit myself, and having grown up where I've grown up, people like her aren't necessarily evil. Never the less, the law is the law when it comes to drugs (I think pot should be legalized and regulated). Some cops let you pass if you got a joint on you, but if you've got pot & ectasy in your possesion, you're getting run without question. Especially if you were this woman, who had been arrested for possesion before this most recent incedent, and was on probation.
Whether the police description of how things transpired is accurate remains to be found out. I thought it was interesting that it took them a number of hours before they explained exactly what happened. Are they trying to cover themselves, or are they describing things accurately? Also, why didn't the police follow protocol and notify the prosecutor? Was this women judged to be competent to handle this kind of dangerous task? Was she properly trained? Was it made clear to her the risk involved? The police may have done everything perfectly, but that remains to be seen. It could also be that she was intimidated and threatened by police into cooperating in an assignment that carried more risks than she was made aware of. We just don't know the truth yet. Hopefully the parents will sue or there will be an investigation to get to the bottom of this, and prevent other similar tragedies from happening in the future.
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Old 07-29-2008, 01:38 PM   #12
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How rachel died
The Killing of Rachel Hoffman and the Tragedy That Is Pot Prohibition
By Paul Armentano, AlterNet
Posted on July 29, 2008, Printed on July 29, 2008

Rachel Hoffman is dead. Rachel Hoffman, like many young adults, occasionally smoked marijuana.

But Rachel Hoffman is not dead as a result of smoking marijuana; she is dead as a result of marijuana prohibition.

Under prohibition, Rachel faced up to five years in a Florida prison for possessing a small amount of marijuana. (Under state law, violators face up to a $5,000 fine and five years in prison for possession of more than 20 grams of pot.)

Under prohibition, the police in Rachel's community viewed the 23-year-old recent college graduate as nothing more than a criminal and threatened her with jail time unless she cooperated with them as an untrained, unsupervised confidential informant. Her assignment: Meet with two men she'd never met and purchase a large quantity of cocaine, ecstasy and a handgun. Rachel rendezvoused with the two men; they shot and killed her.
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I,a Far Right Wing Flaming Neo Con AGREE with you and I wouldn't just stop with Pot I would legalize all drugs, America loves it's drugs and America will get it's drugs, the minute the Government makes something Illegal there is a criminal starting to figure out a way to get that "something" and sell it to you in a back alley.

If drugs should be legalized that doesn't mean everybody in America is going to run out and get high, the people that buy the new legal drug will be the same people that are now buying the Illegal Drug but legalizing it will take the scumbag bastard drug dealers right out of the buisness, if the swaggering dirty dealer wearing the $300 sneakers wants to keep buying those sneakers he will have to go to work cleaning toilets.

Any type of drug that is Illegal now in this country you can walk down to your local school yard and buy in five minutes.

Just imagine the thousands of smelly bastard drug dealers that would be set on their a$s if we "Ended Prohibition"

There are quite a few Politicians, Lawyers, Cops, Judges and other Rotten scum in our government that also would get hit, that White Envelope passed under the table for the cover up would no longer exist.

AMERICA LOVES IT'S DRUGS AMERICA WILL ALWAYS GET IT'S DRUGS

When the carload of teenagers smashes into the Pine Tree at 3AM and the mangled bodies litter the highway it isn't the bag of pot or the needle that lies among them it is the "Little Brown Bottle" BOOZE.

I saw a wreck on the highway
But I didn't hear nobody pray
Whiskey and blood flowed together
But I didn't hear nobody pray
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Dear Waldo,
I,a Far Right Wing Flaming Neo Con AGREE with you and I wouldn't just stop with Pot I would legalize all drugs, America loves it's drugs and America will get it's drugs, the minute the Government makes something Illegal there is a criminal starting to figure out a way to get that "something" and sell it to you in a back alley.

If drugs should be legalized that doesn't mean everybody in America is going to run out and get high, the people that buy the new legal drug will be the same people that are now buying the Illegal Drug but legalizing it will take the scumbag bastard drug dealers right out of the buisness, if the swaggering dirty dealer wearing the $300 sneakers wants to keep buying those sneakers he will have to go to work cleaning toilets.

Any type of drug that is Illegal now in this country you can walk down to your local school yard and buy in five minutes.

Just imagine the thousands of smelly bastard drug dealers that would be set on their a$s if we "Ended Prohibition"

There are quite a few Politicians, Lawyers, Cops, Judges and other Rotten scum in our government that also would get hit, that White Envelope passed under the table for the cover up would no longer exist.

AMERICA LOVES IT'S DRUGS AMERICA WILL ALWAYS GET IT'S DRUGS

When the carload of teenagers smashes into the Pine Tree at 3AM and the mangled bodies litter the highway it isn't the bag of pot or the needle that lies among them it is the "Little Brown Bottle" BOOZE.

I saw a wreck on the highway
But I didn't hear nobody pray
Whiskey and blood flowed together
But I didn't hear nobody pray
Nice touch at the end there Harry. I wish you'd do more of that.
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Old 07-29-2008, 03:16 PM   #14
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Drugs should be legal as long as I don't have to pay for someone else's rehab.

Roll your own party but accept the consequences.
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[QUOTE=Wildo7;943689]http://www.alternet.org/story/93082/

I thought you were going to say she got a ride home from Ted Kennedy. Some Prime Time show (maybe it was Primetime) did a half hour on this last week. What really got me, even beyond the tragedy that can't be undone, was the Police Chief is still trying to paint her as some major criminal and admits no culpability to what happened or how it happened. And in part blames her for agreeing to meet the drug dealers at a new location.
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