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01-12-2012, 05:25 AM
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James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
Breitbart and O'Keefe are up to their old shenanigans, this time commiting crimes to show that there are crimes committed, thus there are crimes committed all of the time. Have to wonder how this will effect the terms of his probation, as he has committed another crime while on probation(AKA violation of probation).
In the closed loop of the wingnut echo chamber, the fact that no actual voter fraud was demonstrated, and that no one has ever even been accused of a scheme like O’Keefe’s, will be completely irrelevant. This is all they need to start screaming that left wing “voter fraud” is now a proven fact.
I also believe that it is also a crime to video and record someone without their knowledge in New Hampshire..
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_...stopped_in_nh/
Here is the actual confession of O'Keefe's crime...
Voter Fraud | Dead | New Hampshire | The Daily Caller
The next step for O'Keefe is to do an expose with a videotape of how to rob banks with a plastic gun that would be a great move.
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MANCHESTER, N.H. — A mystery man trying to vote in the New Hampshire primary using a dead man’s name got caught by an eagle-eyed voting supervisor in Manchester, then disappeared before police could corral him.
“We take a lot of pride in this primary,” Gloria Pilotte, the Ward 9 supervisor who stopped the voter fraud, told the Herald. “I’m very confident about the way we do this in New Hampshire.”
The unknown man, dressed in a suit and tie, did not say why he was trying to vote as the recently deceased person and would not identify any group he was representing.
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01-12-2012, 05:50 AM
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Re: James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
Obviously the goal was to embarrass the voting process with hopes to taint any outcome they didn't like but at the same time, should the ballots be that accessible to "dead" people? It does expose a potential for fraud by anyone.
Lets face it voter fraud has occurred, some would say frequently. Dead people have voted before and will again especially if they can get ballots this easily. Ulterior motives noted in this case but its time to tighten it up.
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01-12-2012, 05:55 AM
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Re: James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
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... but its time to tighten it up.
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Why? With nearly every record computerized this sort of fraud is less likely to be happening than in the past and we survived in the past without this restriction on voting rights.
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01-12-2012, 06:04 AM
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Re: James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
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Originally Posted by PatsSB42
Obviously the goal was to embarrass the voting process with hopes to taint any outcome they didn't like but at the same time, should the ballots be that accessible to "dead" people? It does expose a potential for fraud by anyone.
Lets face it voter fraud has occurred, some would say frequently. Dead people have voted before and will again especially if they can get ballots this easily. Ulterior motives noted in this case but its time to tighten it up.
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Who would say "frequently"?
There is some tiny fraction of a fraction of 1% of votes cast that can be attributed to "voter fraud." To "prevent" the supposedly feared phenomenon, pubbies are effectively disenfranchising far more people than they are supposedly preventing from "fraudulent" voting through burdensome requirements on voters and the elimination of early voting via republican-dominated legislatures.
It's a transparently partisan ploy.
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01-12-2012, 06:05 AM
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Re: James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
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Why? With nearly every record computerized this sort of fraud is less likely to be happening than in the past and we survived in the past without this restriction on voting rights.
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An entire candidate's career may be based on the outcomes of some of these primaries where I guess actual paper ballots are more prevalent. "We" survived but maybe some candidates weren't so fortunate. Look it I'm not paranoid over this but if you see a problem, looking the other way does not necessarily protect voters rights. It may in fact disenfranchise them.
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01-12-2012, 06:11 AM
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Re: James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
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Who would say "frequently"?
There is some tiny fraction of a fraction of 1% of votes cast that can be attributed to "voter fraud." To "prevent" the supposedly feared phenomenon, pubbies are effectively disenfranchising far more people than they are supposedly preventing from "fraudulent" voting through burdensome requirements on voters and the elimination of early voting via republican-dominated legislatures.
It's a transparently partisan ploy.
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Frequently? I can't think of an election where some kind of voter fraud isn't charged by someone. I noted the ploy.
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01-12-2012, 08:58 AM
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Re: James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
I believe it is Karl Marx who said, the power does not lie with who casts the votes, but those who count them..
See Diebold et al.
IF NH wants to they can charge this whole crew with a variety of offenses... but for O'Keefe it is the double whammy as he may be in violation of his probation..
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01-12-2012, 09:22 AM
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Re: James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
They are illustrating why voter ID laws the administration opposes are needed.
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01-12-2012, 09:26 AM
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Re: James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
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They are illustrating why voter ID laws the administration opposes are needed.
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By breaking the law??? Risky ground for someone on probation...
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01-12-2012, 09:33 AM
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Re: James O’Keefe Commits Voter Fraud to ‘Prove’ Voter Fraud
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They are illustrating why voter ID laws the administration opposes are needed.
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It's not just the administration.
Many of these laws are way too stringent and restrict access to the process for too many people. Any nID should be OK. You should be able to bring in a phone bill with your address on it. A blank check with your name and address. You shouldn't be required to present a state-issued picture ID with you. When you vote, your name is crossed off the list. That list has your name and address on it. That's it. Why should someone have to have a photo ID issued by the state? Sounds a lot like Big Government intrusion on our privacy to me. I thought neo-cons were opposed to that.
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