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Port Authority Beat Cop Earns $221,000

Dozens of PAPD officers earn more than $200,000 in 2011, thanks to overtime.


By Chris Hawley

Friday, Dec 9, 2011 | Updated 4:03 PM EST


Police at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey have racked up $41.4 million in overtime this year, including a rank-and-file patrolman at the George Washington Bridge who has made $221,000.

Payroll figures and names released for the first time Friday by the Port Authority show 66 police officers have made more than $200,000 so far in 2011, thanks to overtime that in many cases has doubled their salaries.

The Port Authority Police Benevolent Association, the union that represents most of the police, says high overtime numbers are the agency's own fault. President Paul Nunziato said the union has been asking the Port Authority for years to hire more officers.


Port Authority Beat Cop Earns $221,000 | NBC New York

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Gainzo

More officers at a set salary or less officers making big bucks in overtime pay?

PatriotsReign

More people working is always better for society in general and the economy. Getting more people working for half the money is better than adding more upper middle class citizens.

Since they are public employees, the gov't should do what is best for NJ/NY's economy and it's citizens.

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Gainzo

Well said. The extreme right wing types think that getting rid of policeman and firefighters will save money. It doesn't.

Real World

The problem with your statement is that it far too vague. There are times when it certainly does save money, and times when it doesn't. The devil is in the details.

The problem with this is that once you hire more cops, the union will fight tooth and nail to make sure you can't get rid of them. So in most cases it's cheaper to pay these obscene OT bills, than it is to screen, hire, train, equip, pay, benefit, insure, etc. a new officer. It doesn't have to be that way, but it is. OT sucks to pay, but time and a half is cheaper than time + benefits + training + insuring + equiping + administering + fighting the union over laying off when you no longer need them. OT can be given today, and eliminated tomorrow. A full time, full salaried union employee can't be.

I posted this to point out how absrud it is to pay any cop close to a quarter million dollars. How many hours does that amount to anyway? At what point do hours become an issue with performance? Cops shouldn't cost so much, that hiring more of them is cost prohibitive. How much is enough to be a fireman or police officer? This is where the need for unions with respect to government hires, kinda loses me.

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patsfan13

Some cops and firemen run up an overtime tab to pump up their retirement pay which is based on the last couple of years of gross pay it is a scam that rips off the taxpayers. If their retirement pay were based on their base pay they would scream bloody murder...

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa

What is your retirement and social security pay based on?

Real World

Probably on what the government takes from him, as well as what he pays out of his own pocket, into his own IRA. At least that's how it is for me.

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DarrylS

Wrong, wrong, wrong your retirement is based on your base pay, not OT pay..

The attitude has been for years that OT is cheaper than hiring new folks, I do not agree, but believe it or not it is a cost saving measure..

For these folks working all this time, means they have no family life, and usually wind up with poor health.. usually this OT hounds are the ones who want to make a lot in a short period, and it is a game for them.

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa

But you're self-employed, aren't you?

I'm thinking, and I could be wrong, but 13 has often said that he's somewhere around 60 years old. That would, most likely, mean that he's been working for awhile at a job which had or still has a pension plan. It's only been fairly recently that companies have moved away from funded pensions.

Most pension plans are based upon either the last few years of work or the highest paid 3 - 5 years of work. Usually those are the same things unless you've worked alot of OT and that OT is taken into consideration.

I'm just wondering why he thinks police and firefighters should be any different.