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I think there are busy-bodies that have nothing better to do than to make sure that words like Christmas and Easter are never used during their respective seasons. They tell employees to avoid using them with customers and ban them in schools. Ridiculous substitute words like "spring spheres" are coined so as not to suggest a religious preference. Seriously lighten up. Calling for an Easter egg hunt in school and decorating a "Christmas" tree is not a conscious attempt at proselytizing.
On the other side there are those that do seem to want to shove "Christmas" down everyones throats early and often and feel threatened if someone simply says "happy holidays". You guys have to lighten up too. Sheesh!
you're right that there are people on both sides that need to lighten up.
But you're off the mark when it comes to companies, as you're overlooking the very simple point that a lot of people in this country aren't Christian. Why not be inclusive and say Happy Holidays -- which also includes New Years, in addition to Hannukah - instead of restricting it to Merry Christmas?
My company just sent out holiday cards. I specifically told the 2 managers in charge of getting them to send holiday cards, and nothing overtly religious. Not sure how that would make me a busybody, given that I own the majority of the company. Also not sure how anybody reasonable would find such cards it objectionable.
When I was a kid, our holiday events at (public) school were largely nonsecular but also referred to both Christmas and Hannukah, as most kids were Christian, some Jewish and I'm sure a few were some other religion. Nobody seemed to have a problem with it. Only thing I'd change now is to try to be slightly more inclusive of some of those "other" holidays, whether Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, etc. Seems like common sense to me.
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Maybe stores shouldn't even play CHRISTMAS carols anymore. We don't want to make someone feel they don't belong.
The sad thing is that a chain may get 100 complaints about Christmas stuff while 50 million are ok with it...but the chain responds to political correctness. Let those 100 people shop else where!
Maybe they should only play the generic ones like Burl Ives;
Silver & Gold
Holly, Jolly Christmas
Misfits
Rudolph the Red Nosed Reigndeer
I'll guarantee you it isn't simply reacting to complaints -- some companies do actually address things proactively, and they may actually want to be inclusive of all customers.
As for Christmas carols and greetings, Stewart last night or the night before also showed Fox complaining that maybe stores are only saying Merry Christmas to get people's business. Imagine that!
As is often the case, I'd like to hear the pov from the other side, particularly fox viewers, on the bit Stewart had on this annual "issue." I found it amusing and spot on, but then again, I'm an atheist who loves the American (as opposed to the Christian) holiday of Christmas and who thinks the "war on Christmas" complaints are absurd.
Last edited by chicowalker; 12-08-2011 at 08:43 AM..
you're right that there are people on both sides that need to lighten up.
But you're off the mark when it comes to companies, as you're overlooking the very simple point that a lot of people in this country aren't Christian. Why not be inclusive and say Happy Holidays -- which also includes New Years, in addition to Hannukah - instead of restricting it to Merry Christmas?
My company just sent out holiday cards. I specifically told the 2 managers in charge of getting them to send holiday cards, and nothing overtly religious. Not sure how that would make me a busybody, given that I own the majority of the company. Also not sure how anybody reasonable would find such cards it objectionable.
When I was a kid, our holiday events at (public) school were largely nonsecular but also referred to both Christmas and Hannukah, as most kids were Christian, some Jewish and I'm sure a few were some other religion. Nobody seemed to have a problem with it. Only thing I'd change now is to try to be slightly more inclusive of some of those "other" holidays, whether Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, etc. Seems like common sense to me.
Your company, your choice...I think you wouldn't have offended anyone with a Christmas card as long as wasn't religious in nature. something with a Santa, sleigh and reindeer or a Christmas tree.
Believe it or not, many non-christians celebrate Christmas...just in a different way. I send out generic Christmas cards to my peers not knowing what religion they are...can't imagine anyone could be upset by it.
Last year I had an old box of semi-religious ones with a shining star I sent out. My company is based in California and they're having a Christmas party next Friday...not a holiday party...and that's frikkn CALIFORNIA!
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Last edited by PatriotsReign; 12-08-2011 at 08:44 AM..
Your company, your choice...I think you wouldn't have offended anyone with a Christmas card as long as wasn't religious in nature. something with a Santa, sleigh and reindeer or a Christmas tree.
Believe it or not, many non-christians celebrate Christmas...just in a different way. I send out generic Christmas cards to my peers not knowing what religion they are...can't imagine anyone could be upset by it.
Last year I had an old box of semi-religious ones with a shining star I sent out. My company is based in California and they're having a Christmas party next Friday...not a holiday party...and that's frikkn CALIFORNIA!
Of course many non-Christians celebrate Christmas -- I'm one of them.
I don't think most people would be upset by a Christmas card -- but why would I send a Christmas card to somebody when (i) they might not celebrate Christmas and (ii) it really isn't just a christmas card -- it is a happy new year card as well, thus "Happy Holidays."
Of course many non-Christians celebrate Christmas -- I'm one of them.
I don't think most people would be upset by a Christmas card -- but why would I send a Christmas card to somebody when (i) they might not celebrate Christmas and (ii) it really isn't just a christmas card -- it is a happy new year card as well, thus "Happy Holidays."
This is just common sense to me.
I think your last sentence summarizes the issue perfectly. What is common sense to you is just your opinion of common sense. Others may believe sending a Christmas card on Christmas is common sense.
Either way, no one is wrong.
If I send a card that says "May you be blessed throughout the year with the spirit of Christmas", I highly doubt you'd be offended despite the fact you're atheist.
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Last edited by PatriotsReign; 12-08-2011 at 09:14 AM..
I think your last sentence summarizes the issue perfectly. What is common sense to you is just your opinion of common sense. Others may believe sending a Christmas card on Christmas is common sense.
Either way, no one is wrong....
Actually, I disagree -- sort of, anyway. Why would anybody send a Christmas card to a Jew who celebrates Hannukah?
Do you send all your friends birthday cards on your birthday?
If it's convenience (sending out a bunch of the same cards), that makes sense. If you're sending just a few and elect to send a Jewish friend a Christmas card rather than a Hannukah because you celebrate Christmas, no, that doesn't strike me as common sense -- that strikes me as egocentrism.
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign
...If I send a card that says "May you be blessed throughout the year with the spirit of Christmas", I highly doubt you'd be offended despite the fact you're atheist.
I've never been offended by a Christmas card and don't know anybody who has been.
(otoh, I've known plenty of people who were offended by "Happy Holidays" greetings and one friend who got pissed off that he was sent a Hannukah gift -- and no, not anti-Semitic)
Last edited by chicowalker; 12-08-2011 at 10:06 AM..
Your company, your choice...I think you wouldn't have offended anyone with a Christmas card as long as wasn't religious in nature. something with a Santa, sleigh and reindeer or a Christmas tree.
Believe it or not, many non-christians celebrate Christmas...just in a different way. I send out generic Christmas cards to my peers not knowing what religion they are...can't imagine anyone could be upset by it.
Maybe some athiests celebrate Christmas - or some agnostics - but not too many practicing Jews, Muslims or Hindus do.
They probably wouldn't be "offended," but they really might think, "What an *****," and wonder how you could consider yourself their "friend" when you couldn't even be bothered to find out what religion they were.
CHRSTmas Carols in the stores, they f-cked that one up too and probably on purpose, the music they play is plain unadulterated SCREAMING, WHAILING, DISTOTRTED, EAR SPLITTING, OUT OF TUNE BILE *****, Rot Rubbish *****.
Dirty bastards.
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you're right that there are people on both sides that need to lighten up.
But you're off the mark when it comes to companies, as you're overlooking the very simple point that a lot of people in this country aren't Christian. Why not be inclusive and say Happy Holidays -- which also includes New Years, in addition to Hannukah - instead of restricting it to Merry Christmas?
My company just sent out holiday cards. I specifically told the 2 managers in charge of getting them to send holiday cards, and nothing overtly religious. Not sure how that would make me a busybody, given that I own the majority of the company. Also not sure how anybody reasonable would find such cards it objectionable.
When I was a kid, our holiday events at (public) school were largely nonsecular but also referred to both Christmas and Hannukah, as most kids were Christian, some Jewish and I'm sure a few were some other religion. Nobody seemed to have a problem with it. Only thing I'd change now is to try to be slightly more inclusive of some of those "other" holidays, whether Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, etc. Seems like common sense to me.
The majority of the country is Christian. A tree decorated with lights on it has been known as a Christmas tree for generations and has been a symbol of good tidings for just as long. Over time we've been schooled by political correctness police that referring to it that way is some how bigoted, mean spirited and unaccommodating. That's what needs be lightened up. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays are not fighting words for cripes sakes but they have become that for many people nowadays. If someone wants to wish me Happy Holidays I warmly accept it and appreciate it. If they wish me Merry Christmas I take it in the same spirit.
The company I work for is small and owned and operated by a Jewish couple. They know all of their employees are Christian. Each year they have a Christmas party for us and put up a Christmas tree and use those words. We make sure to wish them Happy Hanukah. I think that's cool.
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