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Where's the outrage? At what point is someone inside the chain of command, or the officers themselves, guilty of a crime? It seems an innocent man was slaughtered in his own home, and no one is going to be punished over it. I find that incredibly disturbing. Not only was this man shot 61 times, but the powers that be lied in saying that they were justified because the victim "fired first". It was later certified that the man didn't fire a shot at all. He couldn't because the weapon he was holding had the safety on. WTF is going on here? Heads should roll over BS like this.


One thing I've always wondered, is why we have laws that make crimes against cops more egregious than crimes against ordinary civilians, yet we don't have any laws that makes crimes by cops, more egregious than crimes by ordinary citizens. If it's worse for me to kill a cop, than it is to kill you, shouldn't it be worse when cops break the law, than it is when I do? Good luck with that I guess.




No charges against SWAT team that killed American hero

Published: 28 November, 2011, 23:09
Edited: 30 November, 2011, 09:52


Six months after a SWAT team fired 71 shots at Marine vet Jose Guerena Ortiz while his family watched in their Tucson, Arizona home, no one has been charged with the brutal slaying that left a father, husband and hero dead.

The Guerena’s were caught by surprise on May 5 of this year by a knock at the door. It was still early in the morning and they weren’t expecting anyone, so Jose, a 27-year-old veteran with two tours of Iraq under his belt, grabbed a gun from their closet while his wife and 4-year-old son hid. Guerena never used the rifle — he didn’t have time. Still unaware of what was happening, Guerena was ambushed by a team of SWAT officers. In seconds they knocked down his door, aimed and fired dozens of times.



No charges against SWAT team that killed American hero [VIDEO] — RT

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Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Marine Veteran 60 Times - ABC News

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sdaniels7114

How do you charge the SWAT guys? They don't do the investigating, they execute the warrants they're told to execute. If I was on that team, had identified myself as a cop with a warrant and busted open the door to find the subject of the warrant with an assault rifle I'd probably shoot too. Now if the department didn't acquire the warrant appropriately and the team was sent wrongly there's a case against whoever sent them.

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Harry Boy

These cops certainly didn't act like professionals, they sound like a bunch of scared rookies.

I also wonder, when someone knocks on a door how many people in America answer carrying a rifle, does anybody know why this guy answered the door carrying a rifle. was somebody after him, was he into drugs, did he think it was a mountain lion knocking on the door, did he say "who is it" If I was a Cop this guy would have scared the ***** out of me.

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chicowalker

well said, RW

SWAT teams have proliferated throughout the nation, have expanded well beyond their original purpose, and increasingly are responsible for these kinds of killings of citizens and other abuses of people's rights

part of the problem are the asset seizure laws that enable SWAT teams and other police to essentially become profit centers. They then use that money to grow the teams larger, equip them with even more and more lethal equipment and continue to foster a near-military mindset -- it's a vicious cycle.

Real World

Agreed Chico. Some of the most corrupt entities in the country, are low enforcement agencies. Be that a corruption of ethics, policy, or in this case, of law itself.

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wistahpatsfan

In the last 25 years, police departments and the courts have turned cops into frightened boys who are unable and unwilling to assume any risk whatsoever. They are macing students and protesters for no reason. They unload 60 shots into one man with a gun. They have to have three cruisers at a traffic stop when the driver has an expired drivers license. I saw a cruiser today speed through a gas station to get around traffic at a light. Nothing ever happens to these azzhats. That's why crap like this keeps happening. There is no "Ooops" when you have 20 armored men with assault weapons. You better get it right. The police are militarized, and that's bad.

How is this Drug War, which everyone acknowledges is a failure (except the police), still going on? Are police that powerful? Where's our "constitutionalists" on this?

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wistahpatsfan

I dunno. Maybe go after the guys who fired shots 51-71? Lets start with those adrenaline junkies.

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patsfan13

I think as Chico said the seizure laws have twisted to law and turned the War on Drugs into a cash cow for Police Depts. That is very bad.

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Boston Boxer

i was thinking the same thing...why did he have his wife and kid hiding and why did he answer the door with a rifle. Seems more to the story.

chicowalker

There absolutely could be. maybe he was involved in criminal activities. maybe he wasn't, but he had some bad guys who were pissed at him. Or maybe he just lives in a bad area -- Tucson has some pretty dangerous parts. Early AM, not expecting anybody and somebody's at your door? I could see coming to the door armed.

Regardless, none of that would justify several dozen shots into him and lying about him firing first.

The more worrisome thing to me is that this simply is not an isolated incident. It happens far too often, and it often occurs when SWAT teams are conducting drug-related searches.