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PatriotsReign · 11-25-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nabwong

Wow, tough questions that have no real answers. Where do I start? haha.

I think I will start by saying that the ideal situation would be that a community should come together to establish some form of law, under mutual consensus. With time, the laws may take different interpretation or are challenged. Take the 2nd for example.

Taking into account the situation at the time of conception, I feel that it now means something totally different.

The sharia literally means path. The jurisprudence is based on the Quran and the sunna (the examples of the prophet). Personally, I feel that parts of the sharia have been either misinterpreted or misapplied. For example, it is extremely difficult to prove adultery. You need 4 direct witnesses, not gossip. There is a narration of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) being approached by a woman who confessed that she committed adultery but everytime, he sends her home and tells her that she is probably not feeling well or does not know what adultery is.

There is definitely some misapplication. For example, Osama bin Laden, took responsibility for killing innocent people. He should have been prosecuted by his own community. The sharia does not permit even ONE innocent life to be taken. Hence, this is the misinterpretation or corruption of the law. To me, one should not even have missiles or grenades because you may risk killing a by-stander. What more, weapons of mass destruction. In my mind, if you possess one, you are not following the sharia.

If you do not know, "muslims" have segregated themselves too into different schools of jurisprudence. There is no consensus anymore on the interpretation of the Quran and the Sunna. So how can new laws be derived? The problem lies deeper than the sharia, it lies with the understanding of the Quran.

As for religious leaders in government and church/state, I think what is missing in our society is rationality and humility. What we do have is ego and emotionalism. ( Abundant in football forums

)I wouldn't have a problem with anyone who is honest and understands that what he/she believes shouldn't be imposed on other people, religious or non-religious. Are there any such people? I don't see our system promoting honest people. Just look at all the "facts" thrown out in presidential debates. Since when was lying condoned?

Phew. It's been a long post. I have so much in my head but I'm starting to get tired. lol. I hope everyone is enjoying a good time with the family. I am especially thankful for all the bounties that have been given to me. Alhamdulillah.

I'd be fine with a religious PERSON being elected as an individual. I would never accept a RELIGION as my gov't. Not even my own religion. that scares the poop out of me.

So I believe religion has no place in gov't. So I guess I'm fortunate to live in this country.

Obviously, I don't have near the knowledge of Sharia law that you do. All I can say is that I pray that no form of sharia law ever exists within US borders.

***Harry Boy*** · 11-25-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by nabwong

I will, as many times as I need to, repeat that these acts of ill-treatment has all to do with the individual and nothing to do with religion. It doesn't matter if you are catholic, muslim, jew, or agnostic. The person is misusing his beliefs. He is mis-interpreting it.

I am as outraged as you are about honor killings. I do not know anyone personally who does this. If they do, I would be the first to help arrest and prosecute them. It doesn't matter if the guilty party is muslim or catholic.

I am muslim and my wife is christian. Neither of our parents have threatened us with death.

You are a wise decent man I wish you well.

Catholic Pedophile Priests have turned many people away from that Faith I see the Radical Muslims within the Islamic Religion doing the same.
Sad But True.
Both Religions Should Clean Their Act Up the millions of "good members" of both religions could do it, but something is keeping them quiet.

nabwong · 11-25-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Boy

You are a wise decent man I wish you well.

Catholic Pedophile Priests have turned many people away from that Faith I see the Radical Muslims within the Islamic Religion doing the same.
Sad But True.
Both Religions Should Clean Their Act Up the millions of "good members" of both religions could do it, but something is keeping them quiet.

Thanks for the kind words. I used to be angry too. I wanted to hurt and punish these people for giving this beautiful religion a bad name. A couple of years ago, I met a wonderful man who woke me up about the reality of our situation. Peace cannot be achieved by force, it has to be achieved by example. Peace must be attained from within. But the most impactful message was:

Why do we feel such hatred toward our enemies? We should be filled with sympathy because how will they ever be able to stand before God. If we can, it is better to help them repent rather than doom them forever.

ps. Contrary to popular belief, the Quran is NOT the muslim holy book, the bible is NOT the christian holy book, etc. These scriptures are for ALL mankind. The Quran NEVER address one as "The Muslims....", there is only "The Believers", which encompasses all. It makes no sense to address a particular group of people since the speaker is the creator of all mankind. "muslims" is ALWAYS a verb. This is problem where the understand of the reader lies. eg. make us muslims, i.e. submitters to your will.

[49:10] The Believers are but a single Brotherhood. So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear God, that ye may receive Mercy.

***Patters*** · 11-25-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nabwong

Thanks for the kind words. I used to be angry too. I wanted to hurt and punish these people for giving this beautiful religion a bad name. A couple of years ago, I met a wonderful man who woke me up about the reality of our situation. Peace cannot be achieved by force, it has to be achieved by example. Peace must be attained from within. But the most impactful message was:

Why do we feel such hatred toward our enemies? We should be filled with sympathy because how will they ever be able to stand before God. If we can, it is better to help them repent rather than doom them forever.

ps. Contrary to popular belief, the Quran is NOT the muslim holy book, the bible is NOT the christian holy book, etc. These scriptures are for ALL mankind. The Quran NEVER address one as "The Muslims....", there is only "The Believers", which encompasses all. It makes no sense to address a particular group of people since the speaker is the creator of all mankind. "muslims" is ALWAYS a verb. This is problem where the understand of the reader lies. eg. make us muslims, i.e. submitters to your will.

[49:10] The Believers are but a single Brotherhood. So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear God, that ye may receive Mercy.

What are you views of gay marriage, atheism, and non-western religions? Is there a school of thought in Islam and Sharia law that's associated with a great deal of tolerance and acceptance? One big problem, in my view, with the mix of religion and the state, is that atheists are largely excluded, and really every advanced society in the world today has been enormously influenced by its atheists and agnostics, groups often looked down upon by religious folk. Most of our founders in the US were remarkably unreligious for their time, and the same is true in many European countries, as well as countries like China and I suspect Japan.

***Harry Boy*** · 11-25-2011, 02:33 PM

A mans beliefs are his own.

The Brandon Five · 11-25-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

And we killed 150,000 women and children in Iraq.. we called it collateral damage..

I think a few of them might have been killed by the insurgents (just a hunch).

***Harry Boy*** · 11-25-2011, 05:19 PM

God Bless You Turkey, I'm going to cut your head off, then I'm going to pull out your guts, then I'm going to pull out all your feathers, then me, my wife, my kids and my dog are gonna eat you and throw your f-cking bones in the garbage, God Loves You Mr Turkey, Bless You, Bless You.
Amen

The Brandon Five · 11-25-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

Sad that the vaunted free market ONLY contains halal birds now... oh that's right, there are other brands besides Butterball.

Are any of them as big? My point was that the market for Kosher turkey in the U.S. has historically been larger than for halal, yet Butterball never offered Kosher turkeys.

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My guess is that running two or three parallel operations is not a very good idea, that most Christians could give two sh1ts whether the bird is halal, and that unless it's certified kosher, Butterball (like most brands) doesn't address the kosher market (see below.)

They are already changing their operation (which I assume meant a change in expense to accommodate one demo).

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Now as to your question, B5: Since Butterball is a business, not a church, why don't you let the beloved free market work its magic?

Is it possible for anyone to ever respond to a thread without you accusing them of carrying water for the OP? This act is getting old.

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For those supposed "Christians" who believe it is what enters a person through the mouth, not what issues forth from the mouth, that renders him unclean -- the opposite of what Jesus said -- go ahead and boycott Butterball.

What a relief it is to know that I have your permission. I wasn't sure I had done the right thing without your input.

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Then you can go out and buy a type of turkey that you can certify was killed a way that would make it repugnant to Muslims and Jews, and have a certified Christians-only bird.

We usually go with whatever is cheapest.

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What a fu(king bastion of idiotic "outrage searching" this place is becoming. I think what's pi$$ing people off is nothing to do with their being "forced" to eat "muslim turkey," it's the idea that anybody would purposefully sell a turkey that can also be eaten by observant Muslims.

Just to repeat, in case any of our local twits missed it:

So you lose no Christian market share by selling halal or kosher products. You do lose the entire observant Jewish or Muslim market, if you sell products that are not kosher or halal, as applicable.

They have been willing to forgo the Kosher market since they began.

***Harry Boy*** · 11-25-2011, 05:44 PM

Turkey Sale:
Muslim Turkeys
Jewish Turkeys
Christian Turkeys
Athiest Turkeys
On Sale Until Monday

ONLY 6 CHRISTIAN TURKEYS LEFT

WE CLOSE AT 3:00 AM

"HI HONEY i'M HOME"
"DID YOU GET THE TURKEY"
"YEAH, BUT ALL THEY HAD LEFT WAS A MUSLIM"
"THATS ALL RIGHT, GET THE BIBLE AND MAKE IT CHRISTIAN"
"OK"
JESUS CHRIST BLESS THIS F-CKING TURKEY, AMEN

PatsFanInVa · 11-25-2011, 06:26 PM

Speaking of old acts, you're a chippy one lately, Brandon. Like I said, follow the dumb boycott if you want, don't follow it if you don't want.

As to kashrut, doing the quick price survey verified what I knew from memory: there are lots of brands that sell kosher turkeys, but they are specialty brands, and the birds cost double to triple what a non-kosher one does. As I said, kosher killing/salting/certification is likely just a much more extensive process. (Oh yeah, forgot: kosher meat needs to have all the blood drawn out by coarse salt. Probably that's time consuming, and adds to the cost.)

It seems like you have an apples, apples, oranges situation here.

As to getting a certified, can't-be-eaten-by-perceived-enemies bird, I hope -- no, I pray -- that some idiot opens a certified non-halal, non-kosher line... and that his customer base insists they regularly inspect to make sure nobody is saying a blessing over the bird (however killed) that could be interpreted as objectionable. What would be comical is if those who refuse to eat what "rival religions" would eat, ended up paying a premium for the privilege.

PFnV