BelichickFan

I just picked out one :

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DG

and it doesn't look too shocking to me. The trendline from around 1900 to now is about a straight line up, it's not some crazy exponential curve. That's basically the point I was making from the other graph I referenced.

BelichickFan

I bring the (D) and (R) into it because Democrats, here anyway, are so locked into their talking points they won't budge. Drill for oil ? No way, Granny Pelosi says no. Acknowledge that we don't know the cause of global warmning ? Nope, Granny and Algore say we can't.

Patters

I'm not going to pretend to understand the author's analysis, but he does state in his conclusion, "Based upon the comparison between the observed and simulated variability of global mean SAT, we suggest that the sustained warming trend of this century was not generated internally through the interaction among the atmosphere, oceans, and land surface. Instead, it appears to have been forced by natural and anthropogenic thermal forcing such as that resulting from the increase of solar irradiance (Lean, 1991) and greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."

So, accepting that chart, we have to ask, exactly how much harm do these small changes in temperature do? My views are based on the preponderance of scientific thought (which says it's dangerous), the upside in investing in cleaner air regardless of who's right, what I consider common sense (namely that all the s!it we've put in the air since the Industrial Revolution has got to have done some harm); and the weird things that I've read about the planet: ski resorts closing in Switzerland, plant species moving up mountains and dying out in lower lying ground, bats mysteriously dying by the millions, bees needing to be imported because they are mysteriously dying, strange weather around the world, the Arctic melting, and so on.

otis p. driftwood

My god it's the bats and the bees again.

Patters, I've told you over and over...it's the birds and the bees...

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patsfan13

The fact their climate models haven't made any accurate predictions of climate change.

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DarrylS

That is the point, I speak from the left.. but believe in drilling off our coasts, developing nuclear energy.. I also believe we should do everything that makes sense to conserve and develop new technology etc.. to compartmentalize what another person thinks based on what you believe to be their political leanings is a bad way of doing business.

Calling the Speaker of the House, Granny Pelosi.. kind of makes the viewer think that you have not thought this out well and sounds rather Harryish, along with disrepecting our senior folks on this board.

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DarrylS

Good point jump in late, take something that is out of context and try to feel superior..

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First, regarding the charts, unfortunately most of them only go back to 1850 so there's not a good context - additionally it's difficult to even believe the "temperatures" as the changes are so small and I'm not sure we can reasonably believe the measuring standards back then are the same as now. But assuming he numbers are good, it's clear there's periods of no growth. From about 1945 to about 1975 the trend line is flat. No growth in temperature.

Why did it go up sharply from about 1920 to about 1945. Then flatline for 30 years. Then go up sharply again ? That's the kind of thing that makes me doubt and say "there's something else at work here like, maybe, the Sun". His conclusion about the warming trend is clear - however it's also clear it flatlined for an extended period in the middle. In addition, before the industrial revolution this chart shows a sharp spike from around 1860 to around 1880. Do I see a warming trend ? Yes. Although it's with data that doesn't go back very far (relatively). However there are also lengthy flat lines which shouldn't be there if the industrial revolution and, later, vehicles, caused a change in the earth's atmosphere.

This chart doesn't do it for me. Before GJAJ15 jumps on me, I am NOT saying the chart convinces me MMGW doesn't exist - just that it doesn't convince me that it does. It looks to me like something else is at work. Otherwise why the spike up before the industrial revolution and why the flatline mid century ?

patsfan13

So which MMGW enthsiast predicted that the polar ice caps were going to grow in the last 10 years.

The point of this article for me is that Algore and the MMGW fans touted melting in the arctic as proof that Man was driving climate change (the tragic scenes in Inconvient Truth). Well it turns out that the melting was caused by undersea volcanos and not CO2 indeed the volcano's released vast ants of CO2 but it was the hot rocks causing the melting. Now that the sesmic activity has ceased for the time being we see that ice cover is the largest measured.

Measuring things is very different than speculating aout stuff. Matter of fact the temps last year dropped by .79c bringing us back to the temps of 1930 ie wiping out all the so called man made warming ober the past 78 yrs....

I atribute the warming to a very active Sun now the cooling is being caused by a very inactive Sun...

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otis p. driftwood

Are you sure you speak from the left? Maybe you just speak from your view of common sense?

I'd say there are some things you lean left on, there are a couple I lean left on (apparently...I say I lean libertarian, but whatever)...but you don't strike me as a real lefty.
Just sayin'.

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