Patters

No one seriously challenged McCain's eligibility, just engaged in a little bit of tit-for-tat with the garbage accusations directed at Obama.

Obama's birth certificate is not forged. It's real. But, the psychological organization of delusion is that the more you prove them wrong, the more they cling to their distorted thinking. This was proven years ago in psychological studies of people who belonged to cults. One of which I remember concerned a cult that believed the end of the world would occur on a specific date. When the end of the world did not occur on that date, instead of admitting their idiocy, most of the members rationalized their way into various forms of denial. The fact is, there is no way to prove to diehard birthers that Obama was born here. No way whatsoever. It fits with their belief that Obama cannot be one of us. It's a sickness for them, in my opinion.

There's a group of people who seem to buy all sorts of conspiracy garbage--how could a man like Obama possibly write his own book? We don't need proof that Ayers wrote it; the fact that Obama and Ayers both sat on the same nonprofit board is enough. The fact that some crank said Obama's book has a similar style to that of Ayer's is enough. As long as it fits their belief that Obama is not one of us, it's good enough for them.

In my opinion, this has nothing to do with Obama, but something to do with the conspiracy obsessed. We saw a similar phenomenon in the 1980s after the rise of women's rights, when men, suddenly feeling disempowered, engaged in all sorts of passive aggressive ways to put down women. (Susan Faludi book Backlash provides excellent documentation of that subject.) I believe there's a subset of white America who is feeling disempowered by the rise of blacks, Hispanics, gays, and women, and is lashing out irrationally. Get used to it: the fact is that our nation is changing and people like you are simply another minority, as we all are.

But, again, the fact is (and S511 backs me up) that the Supremes have never defined what a natural born citizen is, so the whole discussion is moot.

Liberals do not use the 14th amendment to argue Obama's eligibility, unless of course you're talking about the 14th amendment allowing black people to become citizens. Liberals, as well as the vast majority of other people, do not even take the point of view of the birthers seriously. They are seen as cranks.

The fact that you carry around the Constitution means nothing. The fact that you believe that Holder is the only thing protecting Obama tells me you don't even understand the basics of the separation of power. The only way to remove a sitting president is through impeachment. Even the far right of the Republican House has not made a serious attempt to impeach Obama on any of the grounds you're talking about.

I too have read the Constitution more than once. (I don't belong, but the ACLU in its efforts to get me to join sends me a free copy every now and then.) It's a broad document written by men, not Gods, that even Originalists at times are forced to interpret in light of current realities.

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Patters

At the time of Obama's birth, people at least in Hawaii were allowed to specify their own race. African heritage was a source of pride, and many African Americans identified as African not black. As far as that border goes, it looks like it's an official copy that was copied from a book, not removed and copied, but copied with the book folded back. Go look at your own birth certificate and find another one on line. I bet you'll find some differences.

On your authority, you negate the will of the people, the power of the Electoral College, and the formal swearing in by the a Justice of the Supreme Court? What arrogance, man! The Supreme Court is not easily going to go against the will of the people and the states. But, again, the point is moot since neither the courts nor the American people (except a small minority who also probably believe in UFOs and that Presley is alive) believe there is reasonable doubt about Obama's birthplace (Hawaii) and citizenship (US).

Again, you're subscribing the delusional thinking of those who, feeling disempowered, want to view Obama as an "other." The fact is, as with S511, which you are now ignoring since it goes against your point, you are wrong about the first executive order:

Obama's First Executive Order - What Obama's First Executive Order Really Said

Great that you trust Ayers now. Ayers said he wrote it as a goof to two right-wing "journalists," and I believed he offered to split royalties with them if he gets them. He was making fun of them.

DarrylS

That statement is about as stupid as Kagan and Sotamayer blocking supreme court arguments on his eligibility... Here is the questions that I bring up everytime this idiotic argument takes place and no one from the half crazed right has ever answered:

1. Do you think the George Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and the rest of the group of the previous administration would have known about this?? If they did what would be their interest in covering it up??

2. Do you think that FBI, CIA and NSA and the rest of the alphabet security agencies would know if this was true or not?? If it was not true, why would they cover it up and maintain their silence??

3. People hang on a birth certificate, however how would a plot like this happen 50 years ago by planting a false birth announcement in the Hawaiin Newspaper??

4. How would have Obama gotten a drivers license, Passport and received any security clearances if he was a fraud???

There is very little circumstantial evidence to support this crackpot theory, but there is very little more he can do as no matter what evidence your leaders Joe Farah, Orly Taitz and Joe Arpaio will find sometype of weird loophole...

According to this birther crap, his alleged fraud had to be hatched over 50 years ago and involved a cast of thousands in this coverup all of whom chose not to talk about it..

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa

No need to "flip out."

As expected, New Hampshire turned down the complaint by a 5-0 vote and decided to "allow" Obama on the ballot in 2012.

Birthers lose again

PatsFanInVa

Birthers are like some kind of wanna-be mafia dons trying to take over the country in the shadows even though everybody is on to them... they want to be Don Corleone but they're just Don Quixote...

Another one for the L column KDD, next rant?