chicowalker

says "harryboy," arbiter of all things black...

KDPPatsfan85

Again, you are avoiding the question. Can a dual citizen be President of the United States and why?

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Patters

Why is that even a question? Why can't a dual citizen be President of the United States? Has there ever been a constitutional ruling on that question? No. In fact, there's never been a Constitutional ruling defining what it is to be a natural born citizen. One theory is that the reason for the clause "natural born citizen" was to ensure that people did not have loyalties to a country other than our own. But, in fact, what really ensures that? Ultimately, it's the oath of the office, the system of checks and balances, and the democratic process by which our leaders are chosen.

Do you believe that if an American soldier stationed in Germany marries a German woman and they give birth to a child that child should not be eligible for Presidency if his parents or the local laws give him dual citizenship? I think that's absurd. To try to throw out the democratic will of the people on self-serving legal theory is unAmerican in my opinion. Those people who go after Obama because of dual citizenship or other such questions are actually challenging the cornerstone of our republic: democracy. In other words, your views are undemocratic, and thus unAmerican, I'm sorry to say.

Hey, I have a good idea: If an enemy power doesn't want someone to be President, they should simple give him or her citizenship!

KDPPatsfan85

In order to be POTUS you have to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and not a NATIVE BORN CITIZEN. SR 511 defined Natural Born Citizen saying BOTH parents must be US Citizens to be considered Natural Born Citizen. A soldier who impregnates a german woman, the kid would be a Native Born Citizen. No that child cannot run for president because both parents are not US citizens. But, if the soldier and german woman got married then the woman would be a US citizen then the kid will be a Natural Born Citizen.

Here is a perfect example.

My grandfather was stationed in Italy. Married my grandmother who is an Italian citizen. My mother was born in Italy, but was born on the US base which makes her a Natural Born Citizen because marriage automatically makes the italian citizen a US citizen do to marriage (which is why so many people who arent US citizens, pay US citizens money to marry and divorce them so they can be US citizens).

My father was an Italian Citizen who migrated over here with the rest of my fathers family. My father gained citizenship in this country by serving in the marine corps.

So, at the time that I was born, I am a Natural Born Citizen because BOTH of my parents were US Citizens at the time of my birth. I do have the option to be a dual citizen of Italy, but I was born in America and this is my home country.

Again, A Dual citizen cannot be eligible to be president because that person has an allegiance to 2 countries!

Now in terms of obama, even if he was a US citizen. His father is a citizen of Kenya, and SR 511 which obama co-sponsored has made clear that a Natural Born citizen is a child born of 2 US Citizen parents which makes Obama Ineligible. Also, obama and dual citizenship, He is considered a british subject because his father is a kenyan and at the time of his birth, Kenya was a commonwealth of Britain. Also, when Obama moved to Indonesia, inorder to go to school in Indonesia you must be an Indonesian citizen. Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and changed his name is Barry Soetoro and attended school. Barry had to renounce his US citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen. are you following this or are you just shaking your head denying every little thing you possibly can. Stop being like rex ryan and accept that Obama is a fraud and ineligible like Rex should accept that the Jets wont make the playoffs this year.

If Obama is eligible then Bush was the best president that the US has ever had, Goodell is a Patriots fan, Harryboy is a DIE HARD LIBERAL, The US has a 15 trillion dollar surplus, and Ahmadinejad is a level headed Leader that cares about Israel!

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Patters

You're wrong because the Supreme Court has not ruled on these questions. The Supremes have never defined what it means to be a natural born citizen. In my view, SR 511 is not relevant for the same reason that SC justices do not need to recuse themselves from cases where they may have a conflict of interest. The branches of government are of equal power and one cannot boss the other around.

But, besides that, I think it's pretty funny that you're relying on SR 511. It states in part:

Text of S.Res.511 as Agreed to Senate: A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born... OpenCongress

"Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;"

IF IT HASN'T BEEN DEFINED, THEN HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU REASONABLY USE IT TO JUSTIFY YOUR POSITION!!!!

KDPPatsfan85

These 4 supreme court cases beg to differ

4 Supreme Court Cases define "natural born citizen"| The Post & Email

In case you mention the 14th amendment!
http://www.14thamendment.us/articles...tionality.html

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Patters

Wow, you're running away from S511 awfully quick, and let's see what you're relying on instead:

- an 18th century book by a Swiss-German philosopher
- a definition of "natives" that would be relevant if the Constitution said "natives" instead of "natural born citizens"
- two cases that basically state that "children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also." No one disputes that, but that does not define natural born citizens; it simply offers one part of the definition, one on which we agree.

The reason Congress passed S511 was because the Supremes never defined natural born citizens so they wanted to clarify McCain's status.

Unfortunately for you, you already presented the best argument against yourself; you found for us an official Congressional resolution that states the Supremes have never defined natural born citizen, and have merely shown that at best the Supremes have offered one part of a definition, but until a case is brought before the court where they actually define the term it has not been defined.

And by the way, the 14th amendment doesn't define "natural born citizen" either.

Thanks again for reminding us of S511

chicowalker

First why don't you acknowledge that (i) once again the birthers have been shot down and (ii) as I pointed out a few posts ago, your post demonstrated poor reading comprehension, a lack of understanding of what Senate resolutions are and a lack of understanding of how the Constitution works.

chicowalker

No, it did not. Your reading comprehension is abysmal. As is your understanding of what a Senate resolution is and how the Constitution works.

KDPPatsfan85

that link about the 14th amendment talks about how it could not be use to define what a Natural Born Citizen is. Many liberals use the 14th amendment as an argument why obama is eligible. SR 511 was used to prove or disprove whether McCain was defined as a Natural Born Citizen. The reason why I bring that resolution 511 up is because obama co-sponsored it and i find it funny that the liberal media was ramming eligibility down mccains throat, but no one dared question Obama about his eligibility. Obama is a fraud. He has a birth certificate that is forged and if you cant see it then you are retarded and by the way, I carry a pocket constitution with me every where I go. I know what the constitution is and what it entails and everything this usurper is doing is against it. Now, I bet you dont even believe that obama went to school and lived in indonesia right? Well, look it up and while you are at it, check out the book that obama never wrote, but the domestic terrorist bill ayers wrote. Ohhh, one more thing. Holder is Obama's security blanket and hes the one who covers up for obama. Once he is out, Obama is F@CKED and you ALL know it!!

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