chicowalker

Now you're talking out both sides of your mouth -- and ignoring facts.


That is false.


but this, really, says it all

DarrylS

A brief history of American Debt..

What is overlooked here is that Bush created an unfunded liability based on his lies over Iraq... and his contribution is significant.

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Real World

I know who's fault it is. It's the moron public who's too ignorant, too dumb, and too partisan to understand how ****ed up our government is, and has been, for a couple of generations now. Anyone who thinks this problem started with this administration, or the previous administration, falls into my second sentence. Sure different pols, policies, and administrations add different levels of unsustainability and debt to the bottom line, but our trajectory for decades has been U-N-S-U-S-T-A-I-N-A-B-L-E. We're broke, and the day of reckoning is coming. I hope you're all prepared.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

JackBauer

Math, much like basic logic, isn't your strong suit I see.

wistahpatsfan

Debt % change during presidency:

Carter- 42 (10.6/yr)
Reagan- 189 (23.6/yr)
Bush I- 55.6 (13.9/yr)
Clinton- 36 (4.4/yr)
Bush II- 89 (11.1/yr)
Obama- 34 (13.6/yr)

Not blaming anyone. Just saying that it looks like someone...not saying any names...was a bit of a big spender. Ohhhhh, how I wish for the good old days when the USA and the CCCP had a nice, tidy cold war going and everyone else was scared *****less of the both of us.

Is it still OK to blame past mistakes on past presidents or is everything still Obama's fault and responsibility?

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Let's not forget that traditional wisdom tells us that you do not start a war and lower taxes at the same time.

Only once before Bush has that happened....and that was by JFK in the very early years of Viet Nam - long before the extent of our involvement there was fully known.

Traditionally taxes are raised in times of war - because most reasonably intelligent people understand that wars are costly business and you will need increased revenue to pay for them.

Real World

That's too simplistic a way to look at debt. You really need to look at the specific policies, there effects, what entitlements meant, as well as the conditions at the time. I think there is a graph somewhere that shows a correlation between our debt, and the eleimination of the gold standard. I might be wrong, but I thought it showed a spike thereafter. That or maybe it was some other policy that resulted in the spike.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Wolfpack

Whenever someone starts talking about "percentage change" that immediately should sound warning alarms that the person is going to present some jury rigged statistics.

wistahpatsfan

When have I ever done that? That's a false statement. Do you think there is no such thing as pct. change or a valid use for it? Why bother with such a throw-away post?

I was surprised to find the stats and forgot to provide a source link.
http://www.skymachines.com/US-Nation...ental-Term.htm

All I did was notice something in a table. The numbers for Bush were surprisingly good overall until the economy crashed in his last year. I was surprised how well Clinton did. And when I say those names, I understand the myriad of factors internally and externally which influence the debt. Only a complete and utter fool would not recognize that the national debt should NEVER be directly and exclusively the fault of one individual. Such fools need to see things in a bigger picture.

Lucky for me neither you nor anyone else had anything to offer in the way of an arguement...so I win!

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chicowalker

yeah, that's pretty ridiculous, even for wolfie -- he don't like dem dere "percentages" -- how can you trust 'em?