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PatriotsReign · 06-24-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

You were making some sense till that last line. That last line is ridiculous. I have a tenant who never pays his rent on time, ever, and is an absolute horror show overall. Every resident in the building has asked me to evict him. One day I let him know that he needs to shape up, or I'm going to ship his arse out. His response? I was being racist. I only wanted to kick him out cuz he's "black" as he put it. The guy is Puerto Rican. So under your definition, he's right. I wouldn't agree with that.

I didn't mean on an individual basis, I was referring to whatever minority (black) group was being discussed. Whites (as in plural & the majority) don't make the rules, the minority has to (as in plural, as a group).

It would be ridiculous to do this on an individual basis...you're too smart to think I inferred that should be the case.

Real World · 06-24-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

No problem, RW. It's all cool on that.

You and I are coming from very different angles on the Rev. Wright vs. Charlie Black thing. I agree that more of the American masses can recognize the Reverand. If you're talking perception, you're correct. Fox News has done a GREAT job of publicity on it.

But let's talk REALITY. Whose words and thought processes are more dangerous here? The retired local yokel religious leader/activist or the highly well-connected Washington Insider who is NOT retired, and in fact, shares the top official position in the McCain campaign?

BTW, Obama ditched the retired religious leader. McCain, as of 1:15pm EST is still standing by his senior strategist who says publicly that it would benefit the campaign he leads if there was another 9/11.

Please understand: We are talking about a Campaign Strategist - - not a Political Analyst. Don't let that distinction go ignored when you consider this story. If, before the next Jets-Pats game, if Chris Collinsworth says "The Jets have a chance if they can only break Tom Brady's leg" (as he did somewhat close to that on HBO last year) it would have nowhere NEAR the resonance if Eric Mangini said it. Get it?

Given the context of the past 6.75 years, and how the Bush Administration has USED (yes, USED) 9/11 as rationale for trampling the Constitution and our rights, Charles Black's comments most certainly are far more important and dangerous than the titillating ramblings of the retired (and ditched) Reverand.

I still disagree completely. What did Black really say? He was asked if an attack would help his guy more, and he said yes. Is Charlie Black now actively plotting a terrorist attack to help McCain seal the presidency? Absolutely not. You're saying on the one hand that Wright and Black aren't similar, and on the other saying that one was disowned while the other is aligned, which means you're directly equating the two. I think Black's comments are dumb, but had he answered it more politically, it'd be less than egregious. I think your trying to get a desired result here. You want Black's comments to be as, or more, damaging than Wrights. They aren't remotely the same, and Black's comments don't have near the relevence of Wright's relationship with Obama. It's just the way it is. In politics perception is reality. That's not a good thing either.

BTW, please don't imply that it's Fox News' fault that Wright is as important, or as damaging a figure as he is. It's Obama and Wright's fault. Furthermore, Obama only left his man after he was totally forced to. What did he say about disowning the words but not the man or something?

PatriotsReign · 06-24-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by a.paul

I want to be Yukon Cornelius! Or maybe Bumble....

Keep in mind...Bumbles Bounce!

Patriot_in_NY · 06-24-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shmessy

One thing you left out.

Obama ditched Wright.

Let's see what happens with the STILL Co-Chair Charlie Black. The ball's in McCain's court now, wouldn't you say?

For sure........... McCain should be ditching Black (for "generalized moronizy" if nothing else), I think we are in that "right now is too soon, next week will be better" period like we're all dumb enough not to remember. I just think it's too soon to tell.

Then again, his Maverickness might be dumb enough to keep him, cause he doesn't seem to listen to others in how to operate. Actually, that's one of the few qualities I like about him, however in this instance it doesn't help him.

Also, for the record, he ditched Wright, dodged Pfleger and hasn't even been taken to task about Meeks. No doubt he'd ditch them all if it came to it, but having all three on the "spiritual advisor" resume is as legitimate to discuss as having some slimy lobbyist on your team is. Both are, or both aren't. You can debate if one weighs heavier then the other but if one is a legitimate "association issue", then the other is as well. Plus, Obama had to dump that guy who got "Countrytime" deals too. It's happens when you are forced to deal with DC beltway scumbag, which all politicians do to an extent. It's a cesspool.

Real World · 06-24-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

I didn't mean on an individual basis, I was referring to whatever minority (black) group was being discussed. Whites (as in plural & the majority) don't make the rules, the minority has to (as in plural, as a group).

It would be ridiculous to do this on an individual basis...you're too smart to think I inferred that should be the case.

I still disagree. It's not simply up to the minority to decide what's racist or not. Right & wrong determines that.

otis p. driftwood · 06-24-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

I still disagree. It's not simply up to the minority to decide what's racist or not. Right & wrong determines that.

I think Reign has a point, RW. I think that since there's PC and Patters and Wildo and GJ and Reign and two or three others here, against you, me, BF and Harry, we're the minority, so WE now get to decide what's racist and what isn't.

So to start--I think any moderator who performs a search on "race" just to see who's names pop up is guilty of level 1 bigotry and probably has a sheet and hood in his closet. I won't mention any names, but if anyone should happen to fit that description...

Reign, do you see how utterly stupid that sounds?

***reflexblue*** · 06-25-2008, 01:13 PM

A couple of days ago i started this thread i've come back and it now has 45 posts. I didn't read them all just the first 6-8. But since the day i posted it i've come to look at Black in a different light. He was asked a question and he answerd it honestly. Thats refreshing a guy in politics that answers the question honestly. I believe he didn't say anything anybody including AQ already didn't know. And for that i don't think he should quite or be fired.

Who he lobbied for is another matter (some unsavory people on that list) but if JM wants to keep Black thats his business.

otis p. driftwood · 06-25-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

A couple of days ago i started this thread i've come back and it now has 45 posts. I didn't read them all just the first 6-8. But since the day i posted it i've come to look at Black in a different light. He was asked a question and he answerd it honestly. Thats refreshing a guy in politics that answers the question honestly. I believe he didn't say anything anybody including AQ already didn't know. And for that i don't think he should quite or be fired.

Who he lobbied for is another matter (some unsavory people on that list) but if JM wants to keep Black thats his business.

Man--you'll have to take me to the Waffle House for breakfast someday...

***reflexblue*** · 06-25-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by a.paul

Man--you'll have to take me to the Waffle House for breakfast someday...

Its called IHOP

But seriously after the initial knee jerk reaction i thought about it. Its ok to change your mind as new information comes in. I saw and heard the question asked,Black was just to unvarnished in his response. If he had said "I hope this doesn't happen but" A terroist attack is obviously going to help my candidate.