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Wildo7 · 06-18-2008, 01:26 PM

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/38779.html

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Militants found recruits among Guantanamo's wrongly detained
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By Tom Lasseter | McClatchy Newspapers

GARDEZ, Afghanistan — Mohammed Naim Farouq was a thug in the lawless Zormat district of eastern Afghanistan. He ran a kidnapping and extortion racket, and he controlled his turf with a band of gunmen who rode around in trucks with AK-47 rifles.

U.S. troops detained him in 2002, although he had no clear ties to the Taliban or al Qaida. By the time Farouq was released from Guantanamo the next year, however — after more than 12 months of what he described as abuse and humiliation at the hands of American soldiers — he'd made connections to high-level militants.

In fact, he'd become a Taliban leader. When the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency released a stack of 20 "most wanted" playing cards in 2006 identifying militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan — with Osama bin Laden at the top — Farouq was 16 cards into the deck.

A McClatchy investigation found that instead of confining terrorists, Guantanamo often produced more of them by rounding up common criminals, conscripts, low-level foot soldiers and men with no allegiance to radical Islam — thus inspiring a deep hatred of the United States in them — and then housing them in cells next to radical Islamists.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25218584/

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Report: Exams prove torture in Iraq, Gitmo
Physicians for Human Rights looked at 11 former prisoners

WASHINGTON - Medical examinations of former terrorism suspects held by the U.S. military at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, found evidence of torture and other abuse that resulted in serious injuries and mental disorders, according to a human rights group.

For the most extensive medical study of former U.S. detainees published so far, Physicians for Human Rights had doctors and mental health professionals examine 11 former prisoners. The group alleges that it found evidence of U.S. torture and war crimes and accuses U.S. military health professionals of allowing the abuse of detainees, denying them medical care and providing confidential medical information to interrogators that they then exploited.

One Iraqi prisoner, identified only as Yasser, reported being subjected to electric shocks three times and being sodomized with a stick. His thumbs bore round scars consistent with shocking, according to the report obtained by The Associated Press. He would not allow a full rectal exam.

otis p. driftwood · 06-18-2008, 01:59 PM

So he wasn't in the Taliban or AQ, but he was arrested because he might have been, and then a couple of years after his release he was considered one of the top twenty AQ leaders in the world?

Damn...that's advancement right there. I wonder if he got a raise with it?

Seriously--how do you go from having no connection to being a top dog in a couple of years?

Wildo7 · 06-18-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by a.paul

So he wasn't in the Taliban or AQ, but he was arrested because he might have been, and then a couple of years after his release he was considered one of the top twenty AQ leaders in the world?

Damn...that's advancement right there. I wonder if he got a raise with it?

Seriously--how do you go from having no connection to being a top dog in a couple of years?

That's what the story is about, maybe you should actually read it.

Patriot_in_NY · 06-18-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by a.paul

So he wasn't in the Taliban or AQ, but he was arrested because he might have been, and then a couple of years after his release he was considered one of the top twenty AQ leaders in the world?

Damn...that's advancement right there. I wonder if he got a raise with it?

Seriously--how do you go from having no connection to being a top dog in a couple of years?

ding, ding, ding...............

Couldn't be he was a freakin terrorist when he went in, and then just went back to being one after we pampered and fattened him up for was year.

NAWWWWWW, couldn't be

Nice find Wildo.

***Harry Boy*** · 06-18-2008, 02:04 PM

I can't take this anymore

Wildo7 · 06-18-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriot_in_NY

ding, ding, ding...............

Couldn't be he was a freakin terrorist when he went in, and then just went back to being one after we pampered and fattened him up for was year.

NAWWWWWW, couldn't be

Nice find Wildo.

ding, ding, ding! Pure genius! That's why they let him go right? Good analysis.

Wildo7 · 06-18-2008, 02:13 PM

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Rear Adm. Mark H. Buzby, until recently the commanding officer at Guantanamo, acknowledged that senior militant leaders gained influence and control in his prison.

"We have that full range of (Taliban and al Qaida) leadership here, why would they not continue to be functional as an organization?" he said in a telephone interview. "I must make the assumption that there's a fully functional al Qaida cell here at Guantanamo."

Afghan and Pakistani officials also said they were aware that Guantanamo was churning out new militant leaders.

In a classified 2005 review of 35 detainees released from Guantanamo, Pakistani police intelligence concluded that the men — the majority of whom had been subjected to "severe mental and physical torture," according to the report — had "extreme feelings of resentment and hatred against USA."

Should I just keep posting this article in pieces so that those who refuse to read it before arguing against it don't keep putting a foot in their mouth?

Patriot_in_NY · 06-18-2008, 02:14 PM

As for the second story.........

Wow, the Iraqi guy had scars on his thumbs that are basically identical and consistent to a KNOWN*** methods of torture used in Saddam-era Iraq, and claims to have had a stick shoved up his butt, but refused to allow the medical exam to prove it.

Damn, that's smoking gun stuff if I ever saw it.

Color me skeptical.

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*** - Two witnesses later testified from behind a curtain. One of them, identified only as Witness No. 2, said security officials "attached clamps to my thumbs and toes and private areas and tortured me with electricity until foam came out of my mouth."

Wildo7 · 06-18-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriot_in_NY

As for the second story.........

Wow, the Iraqi guy had scars on his thumbs that are basically identical and consistent to a KNOWN*** methods of torture used in Saddam-era Iraq, and claims to have had a stick shoved up his butt, but refused to allow the medical exam to prove it.

Damn, that's smoking gun stuff if I ever saw it.

Color me skeptical.

How about I color you a deceitful cherry-picker?

Patriot_in_NY · 06-18-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

ding, ding, ding! Pure genius! That's why they let him go right? Good analysis.

They probably let him go cuz the SUPREME COURT wanted to give him Habius Corpus cookies. You can't prove this ***** either way, just cuz they claim that they are now working against the US. They probably were before hand.

We'll NEVER KNOW, cuz someone's lying, and none of us have the ability to prove otherwise, dispite your proclamations otherwise.