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Never before in the history of the US has it been necessary to get a court order to spy on a enemy of the US outside the borders of the US. IN al previous the Court said they had no jurisdiction outside the US.



Clearly the soldiers who captured him in a combat zone in Afghanistan felt he was a terrorist/enemy combatant.


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There are rules and procedures in place for a reason, specifically to stop those in power from locking people up unjustly. None of what you are talking about means that the U.S. government can't follow the rules and lock up terrorists the right way. They just don't want to, and the world hates them for it.[quote]


Giving foreign combatants haebus corpus ie the full rights given to US citizen is insane in a combat zone. You want soldiers being fired at to special forces to observe rules of evidence followed byu cops in the US. Doing that in a combat zone is insane. How the hell do you read the Miranda rights to a enemy conbatant who doesn't speak the language? How do you give them their call? Where and when do they get a court appointed lawyer? Does the lawyer have to be present during interrogation?

Are you willing to let US soldiers die because we didn't interrogate a prisioner cause no lawyer is present.

I wish you were as concerned about US soldiers as you are about terrorist trying to kill US Citizens.



We are involved in a war, do you want to release these scum to have them go back to killing US citizens?

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Wildo7

And it's not now, so what exactly is your point?





False. Many are turned into U.S. troops by tribal warlords. And just rounding people up isn;t very precise, they're troops, not detectives.



A "combat zone" as defined by Bush? The whole world is a "combat zone" then because we aren't fighting a country or a specific enemy we are fighting "terror." I suppose that the "war on drugs" means that America is a combat zone too?

Your hypothetical is hilarious, but yes, I'd prefer a U.S. soldier who has chosen to go over there and engage in a war die over one innocent person in the wrong place at the wrong time.





It's not my war.

So anytime we are in a "war" that means we can just march around the world and do whatever we want? Makes sense..... What's the alternative? lock them up forever without trial? You know that Geneva convention that Bush ****s all over? It's about prisoners of war. If they've committed war crimes and you can prove it, try them, if not let them go. There's no in between.

otis p. driftwood

Remember--the Geneva Convention applies to uniformed participants. If someone is carrying on hostile activity in civilian clothes, they can be shot. So yes, there's a lot of in between, Wildo.

Problem is, they aren't uniformed combatants. So what do you do with them? BTW--you hold prisoners of war until the war is over. Didn't you watch Hogan's Heroes?

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Wildo7

Yes, but the intent of the Geneva convention is to ensure soldiers fighting in a war are held humanely by the other side. The insurgents can't afford and don't have uniforms. so that means we should just lock them up forever without trial or release? Why can't they be held as POWs? Give me ONE solid reason please.

This war is endless that's why the moniker "war on terror" is so moronic. How about we just fight a "war on evil" or a "war on meanness?" That's why it's not a real war and Gitmo isn't a POW camp, it's a house of horrors.

SteelerSteve

lol the terrorists get better than the guys stationed here

otis p. driftwood

Okay...you say they should be held as prisoners of war...and how do POW's get held? My grandfather actually ran a POW camp in WW II.


And...of course, there's the war on poverty, war on drugs and so forth.

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PatriotsReign

One point we need to remind ourselves of is that real terrorists aren't wearing uniforms NOT because they can't afford them as you stated but because they want to remain anonymous. We aren't going to see a member of Al Qeada wearing a unform that says Al Qeada before he blows himself up in a crowd. It's a cowardly means of fighting in the first place.

That why I think this is a difficult topic to criticize. My biggest beef is that innocent people get caught in it. But I don't mind cowards being treated like cowards. Just make sure we know who is who.

and no a paul...I haven't changed my tune. I just reacted to the suggestion that we had resorted to torture in my earlier post. but since I haven't seen any proof of real torture to this point, I agree that making prisoners stand for long periods, naked pictures and the water boarding are not real forms of torture. Splinters under the fingernails is torture to me...drilling holes through someones teeth is torture to me.

otis p. driftwood

Being in the same room with a couple of gassy dogs isn't very nice either.


Glad to see you're evolving though, reign. I must be rubbing off on you.

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PatriotsReign

maybe I should stop coming here

We bound to agree every now & then. It's just that we never noticed before when we were arguing

otis p. driftwood

I think you insulted me so much because you saw how right I am and you didn't want to be drawn into my gravitational field...but it's inevitable now. You will be assimilated.

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