wistahpatsfan

Understood:
Some on this board differ from others in that some think torture is acceptable and necessary.
There are others who are opposed to the use of torture under any circumstances (unless their daughter's boyfriend gets her pregnant).
There is a third group that denies that the Pentagon has employed methods of torture in this so-called "War on Terror". I think their arguement can no longer hold water (pun intended) with this latest report. The Pentagon and the White House can no longer seriously make the claim that no prisoners have been tortured or treated inhumanely.

For the record, I consider any type of imprisonment inhumane, but know that it is obviously necessary and warranted in cases of crimes. I now consider it a fact that our military government has used torture to the detriment of any cause they claim we are engaged in. It the very least, there has been no benefit gained from it. Real soldiers know that torture is counter-productive at best, and dangerous to our troops at worst. I agree with that position.

Patriot_in_NY

I'm okay with torture to a certain extent and believe that it can and has resulted in actionable intelligence that has directly saved the lives of Americans.

That said, there are limits, such as the permanent infliction of disability or a lasting "quality of life" impact is unacceptable. So no, it's not okay to chop off fingers, but its certainly okay in my book to WATERBOARD the ***** out of KSM so that that little fukcer squeals like a pig. Torture has a broad definition too. Many people think having to stand for hours on end listening to hard rock (a method we use) torture. I personally don't

So, I'm probably in the first group on your list. Torture in it's mildest forms is fine, but once you get into the infliction of significant pain or causing lasting effects, I'm not for it.

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Patriot_in_NY

That's actually FALSE, there is documented evidence that we received actionable intelligence through the use of waterboarding, which is about the harshest technique we used.

It worked with Khalid Sheik Mohammed, Abu Zubayda and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri before the practice was stopped in 2003.

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Harry Boy

I don't think any living creature should be caused pain by any other living creature but sad to say we all know that God, Nature, Devil or whoever or whatever created us doesn't think like I do.

If putting a wet towel over the face of ONE human being and then pouring water over it will save the lives and suffering of 3000 human beings then I say "DO IT" especially if you know for a fact that after the recipiant of the Waterboarding "Talks" or even after a period of time "Won't Talk" that he will be able to return to his cell and watch TV.

There are Human Beings in this world that are not Human Beings, we have seen them on TV carving other Human Beings screaming gurgling heads off with their Beloved Daggers.

Any savage that can pick up a knife then slice open the throat and carve off the head of a terrified sobbing bloody screaming human being should be waterboarded daily for the rest of their lives.

If 5 minutes of "make believe drowning" administered to a filthy smelly murdering savage will save the lives and suffering of 3000 innocent men women and children what the hell do you Anti American Bush Haters see wrong with that (it might be a different story if your family was involved, right)

The "Muslim Headhunters" can show the world a thing or two about Torture.

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BelichickFan

If we're going to talk about the liklihood of success from torture, I think we know which Presidential candidate can speak to that discussion - and it's not The Prince.

wistahpatsfan

Interesting...What was the benefit of torture the VC gained from McCain's capitulation?...please elaborate on your point.

BelichickFan

I don't know the value of torture - I have always said I'm in favor of it IF we get useful information out of it.

I was simply responding to your comment :

If we want a President who "knows" - you know, a "real soldier" - about torture then it's surely not The Prince.

wistahpatsfan

Again...What was the benefit of torture the VC gained from McCain's capitulation?...What do you think McCain's position on torture is?

Harry Boy

Torture doesn't always work (but sometimes it does) it is a wonderful thing this "stop the torture" stuff, BUT, will people like the Viet Cong, Taliban, Al Queda, Castro, Chavez and the rest of the Hate America Smelly Savages around the world go along with it.

All we hear about is Bad Bad America and their "waterboarding" why don't we see the photo's of the People floating down from above on 9/11 flapping their arms trying to fly, thats what I call "Real Torture" maybe some little ten year old girl was watching TV that morning whose father worked in one of the Towers and maybe she watched this body floating to the ground below and maybe she said to her mother "mommy, I wonder if thats daddy flapping his arms" thats what I call torture, if Torturing one savage would prevent that from happening again in this country I'd dig their f-cking eyeballs out with a popsicle stick.

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BelichickFan

I don't know the answer to the first question but it's not particularly relevant to me (one instance of of torture helping or not doesn't prove the general case).

McCain's position, though, seems - in between - :

"He added that the CIA should be allowed to use "alternative interrogation techniques," that are not otherwise outlawed as unduly coercive, cruel, inhumane or degrading. McCain has not publicly described the techniques that he believes fall into that category".

http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...729891,00.html