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Old 06-08-2008, 05:49 PM   #31
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This 2005 study from UCLA came up with some interesting results on bias:

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Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.

The most centrist outlet proved to be the "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown" and ABC's "Good Morning America" were a close second and third.

"Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets — Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill," Groseclose said. "If these newscasters weren't centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators."

The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.

"If viewers spent an equal amount of time watching Fox's 'Special Report' as ABC's 'World News' and NBC's 'Nightly News,' then they would receive a nearly perfectly balanced version of the news," said Milyo, an associate professor of economics and public affairs at the University of Missouri at Columbia.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...px?RelNum=6664

The thing that a lot of people don't understand about Fox News is that their prime time lineup is not presented as news. If you asked O'Reilly if he show was a news show, he'd tell you it isn't. Fox unabashedly builds an opinion into their programs, and then balances it with opinion from the other side. Unlike other media sources, which present opinion as news.
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Old 06-08-2008, 06:29 PM   #32
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I guess that people are missing the Hannity and Clomes part. Alan Colmes is there every night. Who from the right is on Olbermann or Matthews?
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I guess that people are missing the Hannity and Clomes part. Alan Colmes is there every night. Who from the right is on Olbermann or Matthews?
Right, but most of the ferver comes from people that don't watch. Their opinions are base on the urban legend of Fox News.

PS Hannity is way over the top on many things, but he is countered well with Olberman on MSNBC but as others have pointed out, their respective shows are not "News".
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Why go down that road?

Ask questions like that and you'll confuse them.
"Them"?? Who them brudda?

God I hope this political board doesn't do the "them" thing no matter which side you're on. That is just the epitomy of low level political discussion.
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Old 06-08-2008, 07:58 PM   #35
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Right, but most of the ferver comes from people that don't watch. Their opinions are base on the urban legend of Fox News.

PS Hannity is way over the top on many things, but he is countered well with Olberman on MSNBC but as others have pointed out, their respective shows are not "News".
I actually like the O'Rielly show. He's not so much of a far, far right, evangelical conservative-christian (God is on our side) kinda guy.

He ok.

Oh, in case no one figured it out, God is not on America's side. If you have any kind of faith at all, you'd know he'd take no side.

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"Them"?? Who them brudda?

God I hope this political board doesn't do the "them" thing no matter which side you're on. That is just the epitomy of low level political discussion.
Huh? There's lots of "them". Them can be the other team, fans of the other team, the other party, people in other countries....lots of "them". Saying "them" isn't necessarily "low level political discussion", unless you make it so. After all--if there's going to be an "us" or a "we", there has to be a "them".


And in this case, "them" is the people who automatically think anything relating to Fox is wrong and or evil.
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They're both corporate **** and you won't learn anything from either one except gossip and soundbite talking points.
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Huh? There's lots of "them". Them can be the other team, fans of the other team, the other party, people in other countries....lots of "them". Saying "them" isn't necessarily "low level political discussion", unless you make it so. After all--if there's going to be an "us" or a "we", there has to be a "them".


And in this case, "them" is the people who automatically think anything relating to Fox is wrong and or evil.
Keep it simple a paul...I was referring solely to the use of "them" by republicans & democrats.

If you want to make it more complicated, neither party can use the term to refer to the other since there are huge ranges within each party.

I also want to say for the record that using the word "liberal" to refer to democrats is ABSOLUTELY without a doubt low level discussion and I won't tolerate it. Just as I don't tolerate using the word conservative as a generic term for republicans. Neither one is accurate.

At this point in time in American, both the democrats and republicans have made a huge swing toward the middle. Personally, I am grateful that I can finally thank God that the "Christian-right" has just about been fully dismantled. That was THE most dangerous political group I've witnessed in my lifetime.

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They're both corporate **** and you won't learn anything from either one except gossip and soundbite talking points.
I wish we could add "separation of business & state" to our constitution. I would vote to make lobbyists illegal in a heartbeat.

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Keep it simple a paul...I was referring solely to the use of "them" by republicans & democrats.

If you want to make it more complicated, neither party can use the term to refer to the other since there are huge ranges within each party.

I also want to say for the record that using the word "liberal" to refer to democrats is ABSOLUTELY without a doubt low level discussion and I won't tolerate it. Just as I don't tolerate using the word conservative as a generic term for republicans. Neither one is accurate.

At this point in time in American, both the democrats and republicans have made a huge swing toward the middle. Personally, I am grateful that I can finally thank God that the "Christian-right" has just about been fully dismantled. That was THE most dangerous political group I've witnessed in my lifetime.
I think you'll find that most--if not all--people here who say "liberal" or "conservative" or even "neocon" mean it exactly thus. So if you won't tolerate it, you may find this a tiring place.

And it's interesting that while you've made a couple of posts telling us what you won't tolerate, you take a fairly cheap (and somewhat predictable) shot at the "christian right".

I'm not a Christian, but it does grate on me a little that you won't tolerate using "liberal" to describe Democrats, but you'll then proceed to single out a particular group you apparently don't agree with and tar them with an equally wide brush.


And why is it that I (as a libertarian with conservative tendencies) can't say "them" when referring to a particular group--in your world, I mean.
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