PressCoverage

Has anyone seen this yet?

http://www.hbo.com/films/recount/index.html

Please discuss...

Also, OnDemand has a very interesting little 8-minute short with the real Gary Klain (played by Spacey in the film).

BelichickFan

Fictional movies about historical events are never good; especially when they're recent and there's agendas involved.

Real World

I saw a healthy chunk of it, and it seems to be told from a Gore camp perspective. I'm not an expert on the 2000 election, but it kinda came across as a Gore should have won type theme. There's a part where they make it look like Lieberman cost Gore the presidency. At any rate, it made me wonder why anyone would use a punched ballot. There are so many problems that arise from them. Dimples, hangers, double punched, etc. they don't seem to bright. Once they've been played with, or handled, you can see where there'd be problems. It does make you realize how much of a mess that whole ordeal was, and why. To try to figure out what a voters "intent" was, is a little difficult to me. Is a dimple intent? I guess that would depend on who the dimples for. Seriously though, it was, and remember I saw most, but not all, very interesting, but from a Kevin Spacey POV. Spacey was on the Gore team.

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PressCoverage

Really? What was "fictional" about a movie you likely didn't watch? Or is this another topic whereby you make a baseless statement, then bail and refuse to flesh out your "point?"

BelichickFan

I haven't watched it and won't watch it. I saw several people, not on Fox News, talking about how many lines were simply made up promoting an agenda.

STFarmy

I haven't seen it either, but I might at some point. I imagine the viewpoint is probably skewed. The best way to sum up the questions about the 2000 election, I think, are in an article post at Factcheck.org earlier this year. They're very objective, so I trust their analysis.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...n_florida.html

I know I've posted this before, so my apologies if anyone has already read it. I just thought it was pertinent to this thread.

PressCoverage

That's interesting. The reviews I've read, undoubtedly a lot more diverse than the two or three you chose to listen to, all mentioned the painstaking detail they went to in order to get the story right. Even an interview with Ben Ginsberg, Boy King's campaign lead counsel, had the man conceding the director's attention to detail. You can watch that interview OnDemand, if you wish.

As for "made up lines," you realize it's a 90-minute movie that was scripted about an event that lasted 36 days, right? Wow. What film didn't condense a message to fit a timeframe?

Anyhow, thanks for admitting, openly, that you'll form an unabashed opinion about a piece of work without actually ever seeing it. You remind me of Bill Murray, film critic from the original SNL...

"Now, i didn't actually SEE the film.. but I hear it's really bad."

I believe you've just summed up the entire belief system you've let yourself absorb the past few years. Certain of an outcome without ever actually seeing the material.

patsfan13

Haven't seen it (don't have HBO). Did they get into the Gore campaign getting the ballot of military people thrown out? Did they note that the 'recounts' done by the MSM (like the NY Times all concluded Gore would have lost? Did they note that the networks 'called' the results for Kerry prior to the polls closing in the panhandle?

Just wondering.

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Wildo7

Yes they did. The movie wasn't biased. It was factual. They talked about Gore trying to get the unsigned, undated, military absentee ballots with no postmarks and no witness signatures (i.e. ones that could have been cast after the election) thrown out. They also talked about how Bush did the same thing with the Israeli absentee ballots the week before. I love how anything that conservatives come out on the wrong side of must automatically be "biased" and have an "agenda."

otis p. driftwood

Because we all know liberals never complain about bias or agendas, right?

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