05-19-2008, 11:48 AM
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Re: Barack Obama - you make me sick
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Originally Posted by Patters
You really don't understand liberalism, do you? I am probably as capitalistic anyone on this board. I favor as strongly as anyone the right of people to get rich. I'd be perfectly happy if everyone lived decently, and some people were zillionaires. The trouble is, not everyone lives decently.
No, the rich are using people like you to direct class warfare at the poor and middle class. You are being exploited by them, fooled into doing their bidding. That's how I see it. As far as waste goes, let's get rid of it. No one is for fraud and waste. What specifically are you talking about?
Amnesty is a viable solution because it's a compromise and neither side has the votes to get what they want. So, doing something is better than doing nothing in my opinion.
In terms of less freedom, I agree with you. The Patriot Act is awful in that sense. As far as us being a nanny state, we have a long way to go. The main thing I favor is national health care for those who can't otherwise get such care.
That's good, but you're still wrong. 
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Does anyone understand liberalism, other than another liberal? Liberals, as is the case with all extremists, are out of touch with reality. I've always said that liberals make great actvists, but shouldn't be mixed in politics. They want to change everyone's behavior to something that suits their ideology. They want to do it by force. They preach equality, but favor the minority. Hello, that's not equality. I'm a live and let live person. Liberals let you live so long as it's according to their perception of what life should be. Keep your house at 60*, drive a Prius, and live off $50k a year, cuz we're going to give everything in excess of that, to someone who makes less than that figure. Worse, is their policies actualy hurt the very people and causes they want to help. Live and let live my friend. The more you stay out of people's lives, the better off everyone will be.
As for Amnesty, again, we've tried it already. It didn't work. It was a collosel failure. Forget compromise for the sake of finding agreement. That's stupidity. You compromise because it makes sense to. You don't compromise for the sake of passing failed policy. That's leadership my friend. Making difficult decisions that are the correct ones to make. When you agree for the sake of getting something done, you only create problems. History proves this to be true.
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