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Old 05-15-2008, 07:38 PM   #21
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Except that he didn't.

We did not enter WWII because of Germany. When did it start and when did we enter? How many years was that?
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Old 05-15-2008, 07:43 PM   #22
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The point is that it's not analogous at all and it's dumb that Hitler and appeasement gets brought into every foreign policy discussion that takes place. We were an isolationist country back then and Churchill also met with Hitler, was that appeasement?
Are you certain Churchill met with Hitler?
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We did not enter WWII because of Germany. When did it start and when did we enter? How many years was that?
And what was FDR doing during those years? Arguably breaking US law by supplying war material to England.
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Are you certain Churchill met with Hitler?
"When in November 1932, shortly before Hitler came to power, and Churchill was in Munich doing some historical research about the First Duke of Marlborough, his ancestor, an intermediary tried to get him to meet Hitler, who was in Munich at the time and had high hopes of coming to power within months. Churchill agreed to meet Hitler, who was going to come to see him in his hotel in Munich, and said to the intermediary: "There are a few questions you might like to put to him, which can be the basis of our discussion when we meet." Among them was the following question: "What is the sense of being against a man simply because of his birth? How can any man help how he is born?"

This may seem a simple sentiment to us now, but how many people, distinguished people from Britain, the United States and other countries, who met or might have met Hitler, raised that question with him? So surprised, and possibly angered, was Hitler by this question that he declined to come to the hotel and see Churchill. "

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Every other cite I could find was more along the lines of "Churchill hated Hitler"...like this.
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William Manchester, in his book titled The Last Lion: Alone (1939-1940), presents a very detailed account of an out-of-power minister of parliament and his trials to become the embodyment of the allied struggle against Hitler. The peace movement of Europe in the 1930's contributed to Mr. Churchill's political isolation. Most British subjects wanted to avoid confrontation and therefore, chose to ignore Hitler's rise to power. Churchill was less willing. Manchester shows evidence of Churchill's weariness of Hitler as early as October of 1930.(p.83) Churchill is quoted as stating that, if Hitler were to come to power in Germany, England's eventual response must be -- "If a dog makes a dash for my trousers, I shoot him down before he can bite." (p.84) Manchester goes on to describe the endless uphill struggle endured by Churchill to be heard on his warnings of Europes impending doom.
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Every other cite I could find was more along the lines of "Churchill hated Hitler"...like this.
What does "hating" Hitler have to do with meeting with him? The right wing neo-cons are conflating Obama's willingness to meet with Ahmadenijad and "appeasement." Churchill met with Hitler and never appeased him. The idea that you can't meet with your possible enemies is dangerous and stupid. If these morons were n charge during the Cuban missile crisis and had this asinine policy of not talking with the enemy we'd have had a nuclear war.
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What does "hating" Hitler have to do with meeting with him? The right wing neo-cons are conflating Obama's willingness to meet with Ahmadenijad and "appeasement." Churchill met with Hitler and never appeased him. The idea that you can't meet with your possible enemies is dangerous and stupid. If these morons were n charge during the Cuban missile crisis and had this asinine policy of not talking with the enemy we'd have had a nuclear war.
What part of "Hitler and Churchill never met" are you having trouble with? Wildo...from my knowledge of history I don't think it happened. From what I've found doing research it didn't happen.

And now you're trying to say Kennedy was chatting with Krushev and that's what kept nuclear war from breaking out?
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What part of "Hitler and Churchill never met" are you having trouble with? Wildo...from my knowledge of history I don't think it happened. From what I've found doing research it didn't happen.

And now you're trying to say Kennedy was chatting with Krushev and that's what kept nuclear war from breaking out?
well either way, he was willing to meet with him. Again it's totally different since they Hitler was already invading other countries when Churchill came to power.

Do you think the Yalta conference would have taken place under Bush? Bottom line: the idea that by just talking to the "enemy" you are appeasing them is really stupid.
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well either way, he was willing to meet with him. Again it's totally different since they Hitler was already invading other countries when Churchill came to power.

Do you think the Yalta conference would have taken place under Bush? Bottom line: the idea that by just talking to the "enemy" you are appeasing them is really stupid.
So now you're saying that Bush would never meet with allied leaders? What are you saying? Yalta was a meeting of the big three...FDR, Churchill and Stalin. Hell, GWB just went to a G9 conference...what are you trying to say, Wildo?
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You forgot this part, flex.
my computer went haywire for about 20 minutes. So I see you went back and did somemore homework. What difference does what you put up make he's still a talk show host.
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