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Stokes · 05-09-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan

I'm not saying I could do it. It would be simple compared to other things, wouldn't it?

No, if it was India would have done it already. The thing is you can never be sure you've gotten everything, and if you don't you're inviting a nuclear response.

***patsfan13*** · 05-09-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

And what would be their recruiting tool if the US was no longer there?

Actually AL Queda poll numbers are down since we entered Iraq in the Muslim world. The savagery of these animals towards their fellow muslims his hurt their standing in that part of the world, They are probably having a tougher time recruiting, but who can say. They certainly had no shortage of recruits before 9-11, did they.

***patsfan13*** · 05-09-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

9/11 should have been treated as what it was: a crime. Everything we've done since in declaring "war" has only made the problem worse. period.

Great just declare it a criminal act worked so well in the 90's. I guess it would have saved a lot of lives in the 40 if we just indicted the Emperor of Japan and arrested him instead of fighting a war......

Hopefully you are just a clueless kid, and not an adult.

Wildo7 · 05-09-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

Actually AL Queda poll numbers are down since we entered Iraq in the Muslim world. The savagery of these animals towards their fellow muslims his hurt their standing in that part of the world, They are probably having a tougher time recruiting, but who can say. They certainly had no shortage of recruits before 9-11, did they.

False.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0718/p99s01-duts.html

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The release of a new report Tuesday that says Al Qaeda has reorganized to pre-9/11 strength and is preparing for a major US strike has sparked debate among government officials and observers about the Bush administration's foreign policy and counterterrorism efforts. The National Intelligence Estimate assessment indicates that the Islamic terrorist organization's rise has been bolstered by the Iraq war and the failure to counter extremism in Pakistan's tribal areas.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071102443.html

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The report, a five-page threat assessment compiled by the National Counterterrorism Center, is titled "Al-Qaida Better Positioned to Strike the West," intelligence officials said. It concludes that the group has significantly rebuilt itself despite concerted U.S. attempts to smash the network.

Not to mention that this doesn't include the rise of terrorist groups not named Al Qaeda since we invaded Iraq.

Wildo7 · 05-09-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

Great just declare it a criminal act worked so well in the 90's. I guess it would have saved a lot of lives in the 40 if we just indicted the Emperor of Japan and arrested him instead of fighting a war......

Hopefully you are just a clueless kid, and not an adult.

Yes it did work well in the 90s, we went 8 years without any attack except for Mcveigh remember? It wasn't until the PNAC people came into power that we were attacked again. And these people aren't the Japanese empire, they're extremists who feed off of every bomb the U.S. drops in the Middle East. Maybe we should have declared war on ourselves when McVeigh attacked? And I hate to give you yet another history lesson here, son, but the U.S. wasn't exactly dormant under Clinton. He was doing his fair share to rile up anti-American sentiment during his tenure too.

***patsfan13*** · 05-09-2008, 01:46 PM

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Sinking in the Polls

By Karen P. Hughes
Monday, September 17, 2007; Page A19

The video reappearance of Osama bin Laden is a reminder that extremists with murderous methods continue to threaten innocent people worldwide. His emergence after three years of hiding also provides an opportunity to take stock of how differently the world now views the terrorist leader -- and that view is turning darker than bin Laden's newly dyed beard.

People in America and many other Western nations have expressed strong disapproval of bin Laden and al-Qaeda since the Sept. 11 attacks. What's new is the dramatic decline in his standing in majority-Muslim countries. Polls in the two nations that have suffered some of the worst of al-Qaeda's violence -- Afghanistan and Iraq -- show that more than 90 percent of those populations have unfavorable views of al-Qaeda and of bin Laden himself.

Pollsters say that it is difficult to find 90 percent agreement that apple pie is American -- yet polling in Turkey two years ago found that 90 percent of citizens believe the al-Qaeda bombings in London, Istanbul, Madrid and Egypt were unjust and unfair; 86 percent thought that there was no excuse for condoning the Sept. 11 attacks; and 75 percent said bin Laden does not represent Muslims.

Support for terrorist tactics has fallen in seven of the eight predominantly Muslim countries polled as part of the Pew Global Attitudes Project since 2002; in most cases, those declines have been dramatic. Five years ago in Lebanon, 74 percent of the population thought suicide bombing could sometimes be justified. Today it's 34 percent -- still too high, but a stark reversal. Similar declines in support have occurred in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia and Jordan.

Apparently the people in the muslim world have a different opinion than Clinton appointees in the intel bureauracy adn dem congressional staffers. I would also note that the NIE you reference was written and prepared before the surge was fully staffed.

Wildo7 · 05-09-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

Apparently the people in the muslim world have a different opinion than Clinton appointees in the intel bureauracy adn dem congressional staffers. I would also note that the NIE you reference was written and prepared before the surge was fully staffed.

Until that translates into less animosity towards the U.S., and an actual reduction in the size of Al Qaeda and similar terrorist organizations it's meaningless. It's also extremely tainted by who is conducting the polls, what questions they are asking, what conditions they are under when being asked. Not sure how Turkey, a country that benefitted from U.S. invasion by having free range to attack the Kurds again fits into that list either. 85%+ of Iraqis still want the U.S. to leave Iraq yesterday.

***patsfan13*** · 05-09-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

Until that translates into less animosity towards the U.S., and an actual reduction in the size of Al Qaeda and similar terrorist organizations it's meaningless. It's also extremely tainted by who is conducting the polls, what questions they are asking, what conditions they are under when being asked. Not sure how Turkey, a country that benefitted from U.S. invasion by having free range to attack the Kurds again fits into that list either. 85%+ of Iraqis still want the U.S. to leave Iraq yesterday.

Truth is we don't know how Al Queda there are, we are certainly getting along with the population in Iraq thee days