Wildo7

Is this a serious analogy?

Stokes

I mean, you're right, its frustrating, but what can we do? We can't seriously risk a nuclear nation coming under the control of radicals. Its a good argument for nuclear non-proliferation, look at how Pakistan's insistence of getting nukes has basically rendered us helpless to affect policy there. If they don't have nukes we probably take the chance of causing regime instability and invade the mountain regions full bore. As it is, no chance.

wistahpatsfan

Then why don't we simply remove their ability to use nukes? We aren't capable of that? What exactly are our capabilities? Honestly, if we can't do something as simple as that, then we might as well pack it in and quit pretending that the world is ours to do with as we please.

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Real World

It's not happening Wistah. Again, look at what happened after they zapped the AQ guys meeting at a madrassa. This really lead to Musharef's demise.

No offense to anyone who lost a loved one on 9/11, but this is problem is more than simply getting Bin Laden. Most people think invading Iraq has exacerbated the problem. Well, military actions inside Pakistan would be worse. It would have far more severe repurcussions than Iraq has had. So forgive me if I put the long term goal of dealing with the problem, ahead of the victims family's closure. I mean no disrepsect by it, but it's reality. This is an extremely complicated problem, and some actions, while personally gratifying, would only makes things worse. Again, I don't mean to sound unsympathetic to the victims, or their families.

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Real World

You think removing Pakistans nuclear capability would be simple?

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

wistahpatsfan

I'm not saying I could do it. It would be simple compared to other things, wouldn't it? You know, like invading and occupying a country like Iraq.

By the way, how are the Saudi pigs doing in their battle against their terrorist organizations that they fund and protect.

"War on Terror" ...what a friggin joke!

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Wildo7

9/11 should have been treated as what it was: a crime. Everything we've done since in declaring "war" has only made the problem worse. period.

otis p. driftwood

So how would you have handled it?

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Wildo7

treated the terrorists as criminals, and sought out all of those involved with the aid of interpol and the countries they were in. You're probably going to say that Afghanistan wouldn't have cooperated, but I think they would have and even if they didn't it would have been a better outcome than what we have now.

otis p. driftwood

Okay, who in Afghanistan was there to cooperate?

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