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Holy Diver · 04-07-2008, 12:00 PM

For those who defend this policy under the guise of 'national security' and 'patriotism' or 'supporting the troops' etc...

If these aren't war crimes ..... What exactly ARE war crimes?

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Andrew...l_be_0407.html

In an interview Sunday on CNN, onetime gay conservative pundit Andrew Sullivan asserted that Bush officials who worked on a memo authorizing legal use of torture "should not leave the country" because they "will be, at some point, indicted for war crimes."

Holy Diver · 04-07-2008, 12:36 PM

During the post-World War II trials at Nuremberg, the United States led the world in decrying aggressive war as “the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”

Yet, Frontline and other mainstream US news outlets shy away from this central fact of the Iraq War: by invading Iraq without the approval of the UN Security Council and under false pretenses, the Bush administration released upon the Iraqi people “the accumulated evil of the whole” – and committed the “supreme” war crime.
--Robert Parry, When a great power goes mad

PatsFanInEaglesLand · 04-07-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NEM

I have said, all along, that when Bush is out of office, he, and several other members of this administration will be indicted on war crimes, and crimes against humanity, by the International, World Court System.

Now, there are some in here that will poo poo that indictment, saying what do we care about the international court system, we are not a member of it.

(Gee, Now maybe people will see why Bush opted out of it when he first took office. I am of the opinion that he was advised not to become a member by members of his administration who are actively involved in the PNAC and Clean Break Policy.)

Anyway, the significance of being indicted, tried, and convicted, even in absentia, is that you can no longer set foot on the soil of a member country of the International Court without fear of arrest, and incarceration.

And, for all intents and purposes, it is my firm belief that Bush violated several international laws of humanity with his illegal invasion of a sovereign nation, Iraq, and the subsequent illegal occupation, and of course, the tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of deaths, destruction, mayhem, that were wrought upon the Iraq people.

This is who I think of when I read your posts.

otis p. driftwood · 04-07-2008, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEM

I have said, all along, that when Bush is out of office, he, and several other members of this administration will be indicted on war crimes, and crimes against humanity, by the International, World Court System.

Now, there are some in here that will poo poo that indictment, saying what do we care about the international court system, we are not a member of it.

(Gee, Now maybe people will see why Bush opted out of it when he first took office. I am of the opinion that he was advised not to become a member by members of his administration who are actively involved in the PNAC and Clean Break Policy.)

Anyway, the significance of being indicted, tried, and convicted, even in absentia, is that you can no longer set foot on the soil of a member country of the International Court without fear of arrest, and incarceration.

And, for all intents and purposes, it is my firm belief that Bush violated several international laws of humanity with his illegal invasion of a sovereign nation, Iraq, and the subsequent illegal occupation, and of course, the tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of deaths, destruction, mayhem, that were wrought upon the Iraq people.

You've gotta love a guy who says "poo poo" and "wrought" in the same post.

Stokes · 04-07-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

For those who defend this policy under the guise of 'national security' and 'patriotism' or 'supporting the troops' etc...

If these aren't war crimes ..... What exactly ARE war crimes?

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Andrew...l_be_0407.html

In an interview Sunday on CNN, onetime gay conservative pundit Andrew Sullivan asserted that Bush officials who worked on a memo authorizing legal use of torture "should not leave the country" because they "will be, at some point, indicted for war crimes."

Wait, the YouTube clip there doesn't show anything, why would they be indicted? Who would do it, the AG's office? Why does what this guy thinks change anything? Maybe I missed the new news on this story that led him to say this.

As a side note why is he described as "onetime gay conservative pundit?" Was he gay before but not now? Was he gay but only once? Was he conservative before but isn't now, but is still gay? That was confusing.

edit: If it was an international court why would they pick the US to start, have they indicted people in the dozens of other countries that have torture interrogation programs that go much farther than the US program did?