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***weswelker#83*** · 03-29-2008, 08:45 PM

CBS News: An innocent man held as a terror detainee for years says he was tortured by Americans.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/32311

and

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...=mostpop_story

***IcyPatriot*** · 03-29-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by weswelker#83

CBS News: An innocent man held as a terror detainee for years says he was tortured by Americans.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/32311

If he said it and it's on the internet IT MUST BE TRUE.

Do you think everything you see on the internet is true wes?

how about this ... cached for some reason.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...=us&lr=lang_en

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Germans close Afghan abuse case

Posted on Wed, Mar. 12, 2008

Associated Press

BERLIN --
Prosecutors said Wednesday they have closed for a second time their investigation of allegations that two German special forces soldiers mistreated a German-born Turkish citizen while he was held in Afghanistan.

Murat Kurnaz, who later spent years at the U.S. prison camps in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, has claimed that two German soldiers came to interrogate him at a camp near Kandahar in 2002, and that one slammed his head into the ground.

Prosecutors in Tuebingen originally closed the case last May for lack of evidence, but reopened it in August after Kurnaz's lawyer identified two new witnesses.

They said in a statement Wednesday that the renewed investigation produced ''no further enlightenment'' on the alleged events.
The two new witnesses, who were held with Kurnaz in Afghanistan, were questioned by prosecutors in January and confirmed having seen German soldiers at the camp, prosecutors said.

However, it said there were differences in the men's testimony on details of what happened there. It added that one of the witnesses was ''almost constantly'' with Kurnaz but did not notice the alleged incident or any resulting injuries, and heard nothing about them.

Kurnaz was detained in Pakistan in 2001, turned over to U.S. authorities and held at Guantánamo as a terrorism suspect. He was released in 2006.
The Defense Ministry has said that German soldiers questioned about the allegations recalled the presence of a German-speaker among prisoners they helped guard near Kandahar, but that the only contact they remembered was one soldier calling out to the man.

***weswelker#83*** · 03-29-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by F.B.N.

If he said it and it's on the internet IT MUST BE TRUE.

Do you think everything you see on the internet is true wes?

It is was on 60 minutes ,cbs tv show.Stay decent ,now.

***weswelker#83*** · 03-29-2008, 10:22 PM

The U.S. does NOT torture people. Well, except for this guy. Oops, our bad

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...=mostpop_story

otis p. driftwood · 03-29-2008, 10:27 PM

Do you remember when they "claimed" that US soldiers at Gitmo were flushing the Koran down the toilet? Do you remember how that was proven not to be true--after riots and deaths.
Why do you believe everything you hear, as long as it's negative about America?

Wildo7 · 03-29-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by a.paul

Do you remember when they "claimed" that US soldiers at Gitmo were flushing the Koran down the toilet? Do you remember how that was proven not to be true--after riots and deaths.
Why do you believe everything you hear, as long as it's negative about America?

How do you explain the people that have died in U.S. custody? Automatically defending those in power just because you believe America can do know wrong is just as dumb as automatically assuming the worst. There is overwhelming evidence that the U.S. has tortured people. If they didn't, they wouldn't need black sites and they wouldn't be destroying "interrogation" tapes. I suppose you were asleep during Abu Ghraib?

I suppose these people were secretly treated to cable t.v. and cumbaya behind the scenes:

And what are they doing here, asking nicely?

***weswelker#83*** · 03-29-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by a.paul

Do you remember when they "claimed" that US soldiers at Gitmo were flushing the Koran down the toilet? Do you remember how that was proven not to be true--after riots and deaths.
Why do you believe everything you hear, as long as it's negative about America?

Did you watch the guy on 60 minutes on CBS ? this is not like a myth, this is a human being explaining what happened to him under american torturers hands.

otis p. driftwood · 03-29-2008, 10:49 PM

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How do you explain the people that have died in U.S. custody? Automatically defending those in power just because you believe America can do know wrong is just as dumb as automatically assuming the worst. There is overwhelming evidence that the U.S. has tortured people. If they didn't, they wouldn't need black sites and they wouldn't be destroying "interrogation" tapes. I suppose you were asleep during Abu Ghraib?

I suppose these people were secretly treated to cable t.v. and cumbaya behind the scenes:

Abu Ghraib wasn't torture, good grief. You see worse stuff than that on MTV and you know it.

I've never said I believe America can do no wrong. There you go putting words in my mouth and making assumptions again.

I wouldn't call it "overwhelming" evidence. You may, and that's fine.

And, truth be known, I'm not against torture applied for the right reasons. And those reasons include saving innocent lives. If one terrorist gets treated badly to keep one American alive, it's a fair trade, IMO.

I don't expect you to share that view, I don't really even expect you to understand it.

BTW--I'm not certain what you posted has to do with what I posted. I'm talking about 60 minutes doing a big expose about something--and I look at the track record of CBS news to do any news story in a factual manner, and I get worried.

I watched the video of the al Queda creeps torturing the two captured Americans. I've watched all their little beheading videos.

After watching those, I really don't give a rat's left testicle what happens to any of them.
I submit that if we treated a few of these animals the way they'd treat any of us--and did it publicly, there'd be a lot less terrorism. As it is, bin Laden called the US a paper tiger. You know how you go back to being the baddest on the block? You make everyone else afraid of you.

Look up Teddy Roosevelt and how he dealt with muslim terrorists.

otis p. driftwood · 03-29-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by weswelker#83

Did you watch the guy on 60 minutes on CBS ? this is not like a myth, this is a human being explaining what happened to him under american torturers hands.

And of course he wouldn't have been lying at all, right?

***weswelker#83*** · 03-29-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by a.paul

And of course he wouldn't have been lying at all, right?

Sure ,we should believe the torturers .

At the end , he is free now , and that is priceless .