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***Patters*** · #11 03-27-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Real World

If you two only had the slightest of clues as to what is going on there. de-Bathification has nothing to do with this. As usual you're clueless.

Debaathication eliminated most of Iraq's military and security talent. It was a bad move that set up many of the problems that followed. Even Tony Blair has said it was a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Real World

This is about disarming, and destroying the Mehdi Army, a militia, which is prohibited from existing according to the Iraqi Constitution. This action would have been unthinkable even a year ago. The fact that it is happening is a testament to how far the government, the people, and the ISF have come. Sadr has a choice here. Lay down his arms and stick with politics, or die and have his arms laid down for him. Malaki is the one calling the shots on this. He's a Shiite. If people in here actually read the information that matters, instead of ThinkProgressive, then they'd know how reviled most of the Mehdi Army is, now that the Sunni's are no longer a threat. It's ok though, we all know. Rinse, lather, repeat...

We've destroyed the country and now different factions are battling for the resources. Your spin on the Sadr army ending its self-imposed ceasefire is quite remarkable. You make it sound like Maliki decided to confront him. The factional fighting will go on for years. Or, as you put it, rinse, lather, repeat.

patsfan13 · #12 03-27-2008, 10:30 AM

Well we now have dem congressmen working with Chavez and the FARC terrorist trying to overthrow the democratically elected gov in Colombia.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1206...mEditorialPage

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A hard drive recovered from the computer of a killed Colombian guerrilla has offered more insights into the opposition of House Democrats to the U.S.-Colombia Free Trade Agreement.

A military strike three weeks ago killed Raúl Reyes, No. 2 in command of the FARC, Colombia's most notorious terrorist group. The Reyes hard drive reveals an ardent effort to do business directly with the FARC by Congressman James McGovern (D., Mass.), a leading opponent of the free-trade deal. Mr. McGovern has been working with an American go-between, who has been offering the rebels help in undermining Colombia's elected and popular government.

Mr. McGovern's press office says the Congressman is merely working at the behest of families whose relatives are held as FARC kidnap hostages. However, his go-between's letters reveal more than routine intervention. The intervenor with the FARC is James C. Jones, who the Congressman's office says is a "development expert and a former consultant to the United Nations." Accounts of Mr. Jones's exchanges with the FARC appeared in Colombia's Semana magazine on March 15. This Mr. Jones should not be confused with the former Congressman and ambassador to Mexico of the same name from Oklahoma.

"Receive my warm greetings, as always, from Washington," Mr. Jones began in a letter to the rebels last fall. "The big news is that I spoke for several hours with the Democratic Congressman James McGovern. In the meeting we had the opportunity to exchange some ideas that will be, I believe, of interest to the FARC-EP [popular army]."

***otis p. driftwood*** · #13 03-27-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters

Debaathication .

You know, someone as racist and bigoted as Patters and Pressy seem to think I (and every other non lefty here) are could make a hell of a joke about the Arabs and debaathication, based on stereotypes.

It might be almost as funny as being constantly called a bigot.

Beyond that though, debaathication is just a funny word.
Like scrotum.

weswelker#83 · #14 03-27-2008, 10:39 AM

They are fulfilling Cheney's plan. If Iraqis kill each other off, and no one is left, then the U.S. forces just swarm around the oil dereks and pump it out as fast as they can.
I wonder how much longer it will be before Bush calls for another surge , a surge of the surge, so to say.

***Patters*** · #15 03-27-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by a.paul

You know, someone as racist and bigoted as Patters and Pressy seem to think I (and every other non lefty here) are could make a hell of a joke about the Arabs and debaathication, based on stereotypes.

I think your jokeis lends credence to the belief that you have issues with people of different races or ethnicities. The fact that you don't realize that insulting people based on stereotypes is offensive reflects badly on your upbringing or your education.

Real World · #16 03-27-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters

Debaathication eliminated most of Iraq's military and security talent. It was a bad move that set up many of the problems that followed. Even Tony Blair has said it was a mistake.

No sh!t sherlock. I thought it was dumb then, and still think it's dumb now. Disbanding the army was worse. Again though, that has nothing to do with what is going on now.

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Originally Posted by Patters

We've destroyed the country and now different factions are battling for the resources. Your spin on the Sadr army ending its self-imposed ceasefire is quite remarkable. You make it sound like Maliki decided to confront him. The factional fighting will go on for years. Or, as you put it, rinse, lather, repeat.

Patters, you truly have ZERO clue about what's going on in Iraq. Keep repeating the tired old talking points. Sadr still has spokeman in the news saying he hasn't ended the cease fire. Why? Cuz he's trying to figure out if he wants to fight and die, and let his militia die, while he lives on. When the Mehdi Army tried to stand up and fight in Najaf, toe to toe, they got roled, hardcore. He knows they can't win this. He couldn't do it before when the US was having a tough go with the government and populace, so he certainly isn't going to have it any easier when it's the Iraqi president (a fellow Shiite), and the ISF leading the way. I know it's hard for most of your kind to root for the US in Iraq, but you should at least try.

Real World · #17 03-27-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by weswelker#83

They are fulfilling Cheney's plan. If Iraqis kill each other off, and no one is left, then the U.S. forces just swarm around the oil dereks and pump it out as fast as they can.
I wonder how much longer it will be before Bush calls for another surge , a surge of the surge, so to say.

Wes, turmoil over in that country reduces the output of oil.

***Harry Boy*** · #18 03-27-2008, 10:59 AM

Iraq implodes as Shia fights Shia

America is imploding as democrat fights democrat.

Stokes · #19 03-27-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by weswelker#83

Thursday, 27 March 2008
Another tragedy as the Shia majority turn on each other

Wes I was going to give you crap about the title of this thread until I realized that was the title the article used!!!

Come on, the argument for as long as I can remember on the left was that we needed Iraqis to handle their own security, and we had to get past the divide between Sunni and Shia. Well look at this, we have the IRAQI government giving an ultimatum to Sadr and the IRAQIS fighting for themselves. We have a SHIA in government (Maliki) going after another SHIA IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTRY instead of blindly siding with him against Sunnis. These are clearly good signs. I love that the left makes a claim for what should happen in Iraq (decreased violence, or ending sectarian conflicts), then WHEN THAT EXACT THING ACTUALLY HAPPENS THEY CALL IT A "TRAGEDY!!!"

patsfan13 · #20 03-27-2008, 12:41 PM

Dems would consider victory in Iraq to be a tragedy. Many haven't gotten over the fall of the Berlin wall and the fall of communism.

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