These Democrats are what Catro calls them, "Usefull idiots" they aided and abetted Saddam Hussein to stay in power, when the rest of the Arab world was negotiating with him to go into exile, I'm sure being able to "dupe" these three aided in his decision to stay, and all the consequences that followed. How these men, can look themsleves in the mirror is unknonw, oh wait, they are Democrats and as such incapable of shame!

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Same old sh!t here: Neocons conflating critical thinking americans skepticism over Bush's lies about Iraq with "support" for Saddam. Man is that getting old. In the black and white world you all live in it's either accept every single accusation that Bush makes against "evildoers" or ally yourself with the "evildoers." I suppose it's impossible to think Saddam was a monster and still not buy all of the crap that the Bush administration spewed?

Oh that's right, this is the board where people who consider themselves "moderate" have sigs of Dan Rather as Saddam Hussein, because Dan Rather loves Saddam Hussein......such witty satire

Really, they went to see for themselves about the accusations that Bush was hurling and found something different. How dare they not just fall in line with the administrations bullsh!t. From that we must assume they were traitors who hate America and love brutal oppressive tyrants. Makes sense to me

So IF their trip to Iraq did not help Saddam's cause, then why did he pay for it?

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Maybe it did help his cause. If his cause was to stop the U.S. invasion, and that happened to coincide with these two's wanting to actually find out what Iraq was like then that doesn't exactly mean they liked Saddam now does it. The vast majority of people think Iraq was a mistake. But because these two didn't bury their heads in the sand and just follow the herd they are traitors? I suppose that if Bush says Kim Jung Ill is an evil alien overlord from the planet Neptune I am supposed to believe it, after all if I question it that means I am a Kim Jung Ill supporter right? Pretty sure that's the kind of political dissent the founding fathers intended........

Here's the guy who set it up and his duties for Saddam:

Prosecutors said Al-Hanooti was responsible for monitoring Congress for the Iraqi Intelligence Service. From 1999 to 2002, he allegedly provided Saddam's government with a list of U.S. lawmakers he believed favored lifting economic sanctions against Iraq.

It looks like he found the right people to help him, how these Congressmen can even show their faces is beyond me, they should have been smart enough to realized that Saddam was using them as, "Useful Idiots".

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So now they are "useful idiots" and not "traitors." What's the penalty for being "useful idiots." Oh and the vast majority of Iraqis now believe they were better off under Saddam than under U.S. occupation, I suppose they would be "useless idiots" no?

Sanctions are wrong in every way. They punish only the people who are already being oppressed. Of course Saddam wanted them lifted, they are designed to stir up unrest amongst the people against the leader for causing the sanctions. Unfortunately, in the Arab world, people blame the U.S. for placing sanctions on them more than the leaders who instigate them.

You know Saddam was a monster when Rumsfeld was shaking his hand, but at that point the U.S. was his "useful idiot." It's a totally tautological argument your making. Saddam targeted them because they were opposed to sanctions right? or were they opposed to sanctions because Saddam targeted them? Which one is it? You're intimating some kind of causation here, implying that Saddam paying for the trip somehow influenced their opinion. If they didn't know he paid, then you are saying they were exploited for propaganda purposes only and were not influenced (therefore no treason). The problem is that they would have gone regardless. Saddam may have seen that lawmakers from the U.S. who weren't of the saber-rattling crowd were coming to see Iraq, so he decided to fund their trip, probably to appear as if he had nothing to hide and welcomed outsiders. After all, it wasn't him who kicked out weapons inspectors as many Americans commonly believe (see Scott Ritter).

The problem with this logic (i.e. going after the Congressmen) is that you are basically saying that A) the President decides who our "enemies are" (though we weren't at war at that time) B) Any accusations he levies must be immediately and unquestionably accepted (even after we know he lied). Failure to comply with these two items or any investigation into the validity of the Presidents claims is treasonous. And you say you don't want a dictator? Oh that's right, we've completely ignored the part of the constitution that says it is the responsibility of Congress to wage war.

Keep drinking the koolaid.. they do it when it is convenient and when they have to further their personal agenda's. May not have done anything at the time, but is capital that this adm saves up for at a later time..

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This IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT THE US DID NOT WANT TO COME OUT IN PUBLICE TRIALS. This is why they fought to keep these things in military tribunals. This stuff came out at trail, not from the government.

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...t_mind_bei.asp

Obliously the Congressmen went on this trip knowing full well the company that they were keeping. Speaks volumes for the party they represent.


I wonder if Congressman McDermott took the time to highlight these children's suffering to the Iraqi dictator while he was his guest.