The McKKKain flip flop on torture.. - New England Patriots Forums

***DarrylS*** · 03-10-2008, 05:16 AM

The heir apparent to the throne on 1600 Penn ave is bowing to the big interest donors of the RNC and flip flopped big time on supporting torture.. if he had stood his ground and voted against it, would have showed a modicum of testicular fortitude, however he did not and only becomes a right wing sheeple.

I admire his service and cannot imagine being a pow for the length of time he did, but his association with lobbyists and now this bend over to the republican right makes me think of him much different than I had in the past. Never mind how he was criticized by the Rove/Bush machine in '00.

What he said on Feb. 13

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../BABHVGO3L.DTL

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Mr. President, I oppose passage of the Intelligence Authorization Conference Report in its current form.

During conference proceedings, conferees voted by a narrow margin to include a provision that would apply the Army Field Manual to the interrogation activities of the Central Intelligence Agency. The sponsors of that provision have stated that their goal is to ensure that detainees under American control are not subject to torture. I strongly share this goal, and believe that only by ensuring that the United States adheres to our international obligations and our deepest values can we maintain the moral credibility that is our greatest asset in the war on terror.

That is why I fought for passage of the Detainee Treatment Act (DTA), which applied the Army Field Manual on interrogation to all military detainees and barred cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment of any detainee held by any agency. In 2006, I insisted that the Military Commissions Act (MCA) preserve the undiluted protections of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions for our personnel in the field. And I have expressed repeatedly my view that the controversial technique known as "waterboarding" constitutes nothing less than illegal torture.

Throughout these debates, I have said that it was not my intent to eliminate the CIA interrogation program, but rather to ensure that the techniques it employs are humane and do not include such extreme techniques as waterboarding. I said on the Senate floor during the debate over the Military Commissions Act, "Let me state this flatly: It was never our purpose to prevent the CIA from detaining and interrogating terrorists. On the contrary, it is important to the war on terror that the CIA have the ability to do so. At the same time, the CIA's interrogation program has to abide by the rules, including the standards of the Detainee Treatment Act." That remains my view today.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/related/226170

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YELLOW SPRINGS, Ohio — John McCain said President Bush should veto a measure that would bar the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.
McCain voted against the bill, which would restrict the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation techniques listed in the Army field manual.
His vote was controversial because the manual prohibits waterboarding — a simulated drowning technique that McCain also opposes — yet McCain doesn't want the CIA bound by the manual and its prohibitions.
McCain, who was tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, is well-known for his opposition to waterboarding, a stand that puts him at odds with the Bush administration.
"I knew I would be criticized for it," McCain told reporters Wednesday in Ohio. "I think I can show my record is clear. I said there should be additional techniques allowed to other agencies of government, as long as they were not" torture.

***patsfan13*** · 03-10-2008, 09:47 AM

Why the KKK moniker, what make him a white supremist in you view?

Are you saying he was a member of the KKK like Robert Byrd?

***DarrylS*** · 03-10-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

Why the KKK moniker, what make him a white supremist in you view?

Are you saying he was a member of the KKK like Robert Byrd?

It is the same moniker you all seem to like with Hillary...

No comments on his flip flop..

***patsfan13*** · 03-10-2008, 10:08 AM

What flip flop? He didn't endorse waterboarding, he said the Veto was justified because techniques were banned that he didn;t feel were torture.

McCain isn't a very good candidate but at least try to come up with something besides DNC spin.

***DarrylS*** · 03-10-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

What flip flop? He didn't endorse waterboarding, he said the Veto was justified because techniques were banned that he didn;t feel were torture.

McCain isn't a very good candidate but at least try to come up with something besides DNC spin.

It is not DNC spin, it is my spin as I am concerned about this tortured POW who has always been against torture is now pandering to the right as the election nears.. I used to like McCain and always thought he would have been a good prez, however after George and Karl beat him up in '00, then his relationships with lobbyists and now this make me think he willnot be a good executive.

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Throughout these debates, I have said that it was not my intent to eliminate the CIA interrogation program, but rather to ensure that the techniques it employs are humane and do not include such extreme techniques as waterboarding