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Re: "US needs to break from stimulating economy" - CNN Money
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Originally Posted by mcgraw_wv
It doesn't always come in the form of bad press... it could be law suits. It would be in the best interest of farms to spend 10% more in safety and health of animals rather than risk a multiple million dollar lawsuit from 100s of sick and/or dead people suing the farmer.
But with the FDA, they step in and say how it's not their fault, and you can't sue them, and it had something to do with another reason or issue, and the FDA protects business from that risk.
As I asked earlier, which laws are remaining in place, and what burden of proof and level of culpability are going to exist in your world of no regulation? Does the farmer have to be grossly negligent, negligent, or is any illness potentially going to lead to a loss in a lawsuit?
and while some businesses certainly understand the concept of investing to produce a superior product, reality is that many companies and industries are susceptible to immense price cutting costs, especially in commodity type businesses, which many food items are. If you're going to go out of business anyway, many companies will forgo those investments, because what's the threat of a lawsuit if you're already on the verge of bankruptcy?
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Re: "US needs to break from stimulating economy" - CNN Money
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Originally Posted by chicowalker
As I asked earlier, which laws are remaining in place, and what burden of proof and level of culpability are going to exist in your world of no regulation? Does the farmer have to be grossly negligent, negligent, or is any illness potentially going to lead to a loss in a lawsuit?
and while some businesses certainly understand the concept of investing to produce a superior product, reality is that many companies and industries are susceptible to immense price cutting costs, especially in commodity type businesses, which many food items are. If you're going to go out of business anyway, many companies will forgo those investments, because what's the threat of a lawsuit if you're already on the verge of bankruptcy?
Re: "US needs to break from stimulating economy" - CNN Money
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Originally Posted by mcgraw_wv
You did actually...
Someone said no one is forced to work for 2.00 an hour, You said
Have too... means forced... means slavery.
No one, and especially not me, is forcing anyone to work for any wage. If a business wants to only offer 2.00, they will have a hard time finding people to work for them.
Re: "US needs to break from stimulating economy" - CNN Money
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Originally Posted by mcgraw_wv
I guess that's up to the Jury to decide isn't it?
well, no -- juries can only make decisions based on th laws that are in place and the instructions they are given.
Since you're proposing juries and some set of laws (I'm still not sure what they are, since you want to get rid of regulations) to take the place of regulatory bodies and other regulations, I'm asking what the standards should be.
btw, how, exactly, would this work? You mentioned e coli outbreaks as one example. If I got ill from e coli contamination, who would I sue and how would I know to sue them?
Re: "US needs to break from stimulating economy" - CNN Money
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Originally Posted by chicowalker
well, no -- juries can only make decisions based on th laws that are in place and the instructions they are given.
Since you're proposing juries and some set of laws (I'm still not sure what they are, since you want to get rid of regulations) to take the place of regulatory bodies and other regulations, I'm asking what the standards should be.
btw, how, exactly, would this work? You mentioned e coli outbreaks as one example. If I got ill from e coli contamination, who would I sue and how would I know to sue them?
More than 36 million pounds of fresh and frozen ground turkey are being voluntarily recalled by food giant Cargill Inc. because of the possibility of salmonella contamination.
The Media does a pretty good job of finding these things out...
St. Paul, Minn. — The parents of an 11-year-old Minnesota girl who spent more than a month in the hospital because of an illness caused by an E. coli-contaminated hamburger have reached a settlement with Cargill, the family's attorney said.
No government involvment...
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"It's a very complex case with a lot of issues regarding future problems to deal with," Marler said. He said he and his client planned to meet with Cargill and its insurers later this year to try to resolve the claim.
Marler said about a dozen claims he has worked on stemming from Cargill's 2007 ground beef recall have now been settled. Smith's claim is the only one pending.
Are you serious? Where do you get that there was no involvement?
Who discovered in each instance that there was an e coli outbreak?
One of the links read, "...The U.S. Department of Agriculture said an investigation "determined that there is a link between the Cargill ground turkey products and the illness outbreak." The recalled products have the number P-963 inside the USDA inspection mark....Over the last six months, local and state health department authorities in 26 states have reported dozens of cases of people falling ill after eating ground turkey...Cargill said it launched the recall as a result of an internal investigation and ongoing inquiries by the CDC and the USDA into multiple illnesses from Salmonella Heidelberg..."
You're arguing from an existing regulatory structure and then assuming that everything would work exactly the same (but better) without that structure in place.
Also, how many people do you think remember these particular outbreaks or that Cargill was involved? How many people have any idea what brands Cargill owns or what brands were involved here?
I asked the question in my last post, and you didn't answer it. If a person gets ill from what turns out to be e coli, how do they find out what the cause was so that they can sue?
I also asked which laws are remaining in place in your ideal regulatory environment, what the burdens of proof should be and what standards of negligence would exist -- none of which you've addressed.
Re: "US needs to break from stimulating economy" - CNN Money
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Originally Posted by patsfan13
Good article generally I would have not viewed tax cuts as a stimulant per say since as a rule lower marginal rates (including deductions in the tax code) lead to higher economic growth as shown by Freidman and others.
big Miltie Friedman fan, are ya? ... gee, shocking.
Re: "US needs to break from stimulating economy" - CNN Money
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Originally Posted by chicowalker
Are you serious? Where do you get that there was no involvement?
Who discovered in each instance that there was an e coli outbreak?
One of the links read, "...The U.S. Department of Agriculture said an investigation "determined that there is a link between the Cargill ground turkey products and the illness outbreak." The recalled products have the number P-963 inside the USDA inspection mark....Over the last six months, local and state health department authorities in 26 states have reported dozens of cases of people falling ill after eating ground turkey...Cargill said it launched the recall as a result of an internal investigation and ongoing inquiries by the CDC and the USDA into multiple illnesses from Salmonella Heidelberg..."
You're arguing from an existing regulatory structure and then assuming that everything would work exactly the same (but better) without that structure in place.
Also, how many people do you think remember these particular outbreaks or that Cargill was involved? How many people have any idea what brands Cargill owns or what brands were involved here?
I asked the question in my last post, and you didn't answer it. If a person gets ill from what turns out to be e coli, how do they find out what the cause was so that they can sue?
I also asked which laws are remaining in place in your ideal regulatory environment, what the burdens of proof should be and what standards of negligence would exist -- none of which you've addressed.
Woah did you just fall for my trap? Did you just say that they FOUND the link becuase of the USDA tag? Meaning the FDA inspected and reviewed the meat... and still released it even though it was contaminated? 76 people died in the latest food recall by cargil... and our government gave it a thumbs up...
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I asked the question in my last post, and you didn't answer it. If a person gets ill from what turns out to be e coli, how do they find out what the cause was so that they can sue?
I would think anyone who has access to the internet could find out really quickly who owns what brand... Of course you would start your search for "Brand X" and you would be quickly lead to the maufacture. Not to mention they usually stamp the address right on the packaging and a quick google maps would reveal the location as well...
It's actually a lot easier than you think, your just making it out to e some hidden conspiracy which requires the need of Nancy Grace to find out your hidden assaulter.
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