Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Pat Buchanan joins Glen Beck and The Wall Street Journal in arguing that The Norway shooter "may have had a valid point" and that he "may be right."

It's amazing to me.....they wring their hands and say, "Oh terrible tragedy, terrible tragedy. Only a madman would do such a thing," and then they go on to say "But, awful as this atrocity was, native-born and homegrown terrorism is not the macro-threat to the continent.

That threat comes from a burgeoning Muslim presence in a Europe that has never known mass immigration, its failure to assimilate, its growing alienation, and its sometime sympathy for Islamic militants and terrorists.

As for a climactic conflict between a once-Christian West and an Islamic world that is growing in numbers and advancing inexorably into Europe for the third time in 14 centuries, on this one, Breivik may be right.

Pat Buchanan: Norwegian Right-Wing Terrorist ‘Breivik May Be Right’ | ThinkProgress

All of this does nothing but serve to perk the ears of Crusading ideologists and Templar Wannabes and encourage them to order some fertilizer and pick up some hollow points in anticipation....and when the "war" doesn't come fast enough for them, they'll start it themselves.

Patters

The right wing is terribly dangerous right now, perhaps as dangerous as it was in the 1950s. The Tea Party extremists are a threat to American democracy, and they are embraced by major media players like Buchanan and Beck. It's really disgusting. I think people like that represent the last stand of those who fear that white's will soon be a minority in this country. They are doing everything possible to disenfranchise people and disrupt the economy in the hope of provoking a backlash. They are truly dangerous, and the Republican leadership is too emasculated to stand up to them.

Titus Pullo

Well said, and 100% accurate.

But the spin-tacular backlash is winding up. Look alive.

Wolfpack

How are they a threat to American democracy? Are they trying to overturn the Constitution? Take voting rights away from law abiding citizens?

Or is that simply how you describe any group of people who don't subscribe to the jealously-filled, hate-fueled rage and perversion of liberalism (a political platform which, I may add, absolutely nobody in the mainstream takes seriously)?

Leave No Doubt

Anita Baker lol.

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Patters

They are trying to overturn the Constitution by disenfranchising people, blocking collective bargaining, opposing equal rights for minorities, not caring about the equal pursuit of liberty (their attacks on Muslims are examples of that), objecting to the welfare of the American people by protecting the wealthy, and cutting aid to poor kids and the needy. And, no, I'm not jealousy filled at all -- when I worked in technology and was in the highest tax bracket I was happy to pay the high taxes since it meant I was earning a lot. By the same facile reasoning by which you say I'm jealous, I can assume that you simply worship the white wealthy people in this country, that you're a sycophant, and that you are jealous that minorities are eating into your power. But, as I said, that's simplistic reasoning.

And, by the way, whatever you think of liberalism, the fact remains that its whipped conservatives historically from the defeat of slavery, to the passage of union rights, to the laws protecting child workers, to the woman's right to vote, to the Civil Rights movement, to gay marriage, to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. The fact is that conservativism has historically been for losers and the conservative ideas keep dying in the dustbin of history unable to hold back the tide of change for long, though now with the attempt at fascism by the right we once again face a McCarthyesque threat.

Real World

Never would I ever condone what that madman did. The guy is a sick **** that deserves to have his testicals removed without anesthesia. That being said, the muslim invasion of western europe is indeed a problem. The thing is, you don't ever use this mans horrible actions to even discuss that fact, because it may give a faint notion of justification to some.

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Patters

By and large, western European culture, like American culture, dominates the Muslim religion. If you knew any Muslims, you'd know many of them drink, like porn, go to Mosque irregularly, wear western style clothes, go to the movies, etc. As with some Christians, there are some Muslims with ridiculous views, but they are a minority. The other issues with Muslims are the same as the issues with other minorities: poverty. My guess is that you do not know a single Muslim, and your image of them is tainted by the racist screams of the right wing media.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

You and I don't often agree on things but I think we're on the same page here......

When media people or politicians make the statements that are being made it not only serves to justify the act but to encourage others to act similarily - and what's more, it also serves as a "warning" to Muslims. It's pretty much telling them, just like it's telling the homegrown terrorist types, that a war is going to be necessary sometime in the future - which is going to make them think that they, too, better be ready.

It's like one group is the kindling and one group is the paper and Beck/WSJ/Buchanan and their ilk are just oh-so-eager to be the match.

And when the fire's finally raging, they'll sit back and say, "Remember folks, you heard it here first. I predicted back in 2011 that this was going to happen and here it is."

Real World

Wow, how ******* stupid do you feel? I employ muslims you chooch.

Do you not watch the news? Do you not see what's gone on in France & Germany with the muslim invasion, and their refusal to assimilate? Not each and everyone of course, but certainly a sizable chunk of that immigrant population. I deal in reality pal. I don't deal in politically correct, can't talk about that, BS jargon that you and some others do.

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