patsfan13

to 'consultants' just to BEGIN to put Obamacare in place.

Lots of pork to be fought for by the companies involved.

GAO-11-797R, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act: Contracts Awarded and Consultants Retained by Federal Departments and Agencies to Assist in Implementing the Act

The tip of the iceberg that is helping to sink the economy.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

JackBauer

So you think an expenditure of >700mm is helping sink the economy? Is that the position you're taking?

DarrylS

What companies? United Healthcare, Blue Cross.. pray tell.

Or the classic strawman company....

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patsfan13

Like I said Jack this is just a down payment on this albatross, after all a billion here a billion there it starts adding up to real money.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

JackBauer

Not as much as it'll cost us to simply allow health care costs to continue to skyrocket.

DarrylS

Compared to what?? how much does it normally to begin such a massive undertaking..

How much did it cost to start the big pharma plan under George Bush??

How much did it cost to start Homeland Security??

Alone it sounds like a lot, but need to compare it to something..

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"Being the best doesn't mean you always win. It just means you win more than anyone else".. tweet from Kurt Warner to Tom Brady.

The Brandon Five

Halliburton?

Real World

So does that mean you feel that Obamacare is going to keep costs from doing just that, skyrocketing?

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patsfan13

We know the albatross won't save any money at all it will accelerate the rise in health care cost and ultimately lead to rationing by the government. If we had moved towards something like Medical Savings accounts we could have curbed health care cost and improved quality/ However the pols are interested in power and not solutions.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

JackBauer

Well it's less about being sanguine about that possibility as it is about recognizing that it's the only proposition for addressing health care costs currently on the books.

But ultimately, it largely depends on the IPAB and whether or not it's implemented.

I don't think Obamacare, in and of itself, is going to solve the problem. That's probably going to require a single payer system. That is, if we ever decide we want to stop paying twice as much for health care per capita for generally average outcomes.