chicowalker

I agree with everything you say here, BUT if we choose not to help educate and provide for prevention of unwanted births, which you can certainly argue isn't a proper role of government, we also have to be prepared to deal with the consequences. It's easy to say people should be more responsible, but in the real world, that doesn't get it done.

DarrylS

The generic right wing response, all you youngun's exercise self control, all the while in the 20th century there has been little control when it comes to sex.

More unwanted pregnancies, more unwanted babies, more state involvement, more interventions with unwanted babies on every level= the right wing response.

These decisions will reap dire unintended consequences...

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Ilikehappyppl

This is one of those things, I don't think tax payers should have to pay for other peoples medication BUT when the medication is over-priced sooooooooo much that a normal person making a decent wage is having a hard time paying, there is a problem and our government should step in and do something but at the same time look for ways to improve the system and shift more of the cost burden to the consumer.

Why are BC pills 40-100$?

That's the real issue, it should not cost an arm and a leg to have good contraceptive and imo should be readily available,hell i'd even for as far to say put it in all high school lunches.

Making BC pills should not be something you make a whole lot of money off of imo, why do something then if you don't make money? cause you set a good example and you better the world and yourself. I realize you can't eat that for feed your family with that but I believe with everything in my heart that if you start doing the right thing, good things will happen and prays and dreams will come true.

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DarrylS

The same could be said for cancer medication or Aids Medication.. but ain't gonna happen, big pharma is all about the bottom line.

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mcgraw_wv

We tax cigarettes becuase it is a low cost habit which has a high cost effect way down the road in health costs.

Sex is also a low cost habit which has a HIGH cost effect down the road in health costs +.

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The real solution to this situation, and something that would get everyone's attention. Add a 20% tax to all forms of Safe sex in order to pay for free birth control to those who can't afford it.

If the government can tax cigarettes to pay for others healthcare, they can tax condoms and other contraceptives in order to provide free stuff to a select few.

It's the way of our country, let's tax everyone to give a small special interest free stuff.

chicowalker

Not sure I'm reading this right, but your suggestion would further decrease the use of condoms and other contraceptives.

The legimitate reason for taxing cigarettes, from a theoretical perspective, is that the market costs don't reflect the true overall cost. That doesn't hold for contraceptives. (When I say legitimate, I'm differentiating from the "sin tax" approach of trying to modify behavior because it's not approved of.)

mcgraw_wv

Honestly, my idea would simply infuriate people and bring attention to the tax and spend policy that most people don't even realize they are paying for. With Taxes on contraceptives, people every day would see... damn, why do those people need free birthcontrol!!!

The Market costs aren't reflected in condoms either... A child could potentially become a prisoner for life which costs millions... A child could end up drawing from Medicare and Medicaid, nearly their entire life, and not contribute a dime. Not too mention, if the mother has no healthcare, and no coverage, the 30k cost of a pregnancy is rather expensive, and the condom tax will off set it, again, let's tax everyone for the benifit of the very small few.

All I'm pointing out is if we are going to tax other hobbies, we need to tax others.

Overall, I think no taxes should be levied in order to force everyone to support helping a very small percentage of the people.

I much rather have private charities, and churches help those in need, so you can choose to help people if that's your thing, and you can use your own money to support the csuses you want to support... no be forced to support free birtch control in order to ensure 16 year old girls in the inner city can knock boots with anyone and not worry about being a single mom.

The Brandon Five

You need to ask the John Edwards of the world that question.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

I know you hate "personal experience" but, dam, Mcgraw, I hate generalizations just as much.

What makes you think that the majority of Planned Parenthood clients are 16 year old girls from the inner city?

Almost 80% of people who visit Planned Parenthood are over 20 years old.

Almost 80 percent of Planned Parenthood's clientele are age 20 and over. Seventy-five percent of the people who use its services are at or below 150 percent of the poverty level -- $33,525 for a family of four in 2011.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/02...-family/print/

Do you think married men and women do not need low cost medical care relating to sexual conditions such as pregnancy, birth control, infections, breast exams, pap smears, urine tests, etc?

Do you really think that the only people receiving low cost birth control and exams are 16 year old ghetto girls?

About 4.7 million Americans get health care from clinics funded by Title X money, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

Planned Parenthood estimates that one in five women have received health care from one of its 800 clinics at some point in their lives.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/02...-family/print/

You better believe that's some white people and some chinese people and some men people and some country people and some other various non-inner city people.

I just, honestly, don't understand it. You don't want people having abortions, you don't want easy affordable birth control - what do you want? Involuntary sterilization?

It's all well and good to say that the little 16 year old ghetto dope should keep her legs crossed, but what about the church going white farmer's wife who's already got 4 kids and can't afford another? What should she do? Keep her legs crossed, too, or should she honor the bible she believes in and submit to her husband and perform her marital duties? (And don't come back and tell me about rhythm because it doesn't work for any but the most regular cycled woman with a fairly high intelliegence level and a committment beyond believable.)

What about all of our aged citizens in nursing homes? Shouldn't we cut them off of aid, too? Obviously they didn't plan very well since they've outlived the life they could have afforded.....maybe some church charity could take them over, too?

Maybe I do make it "personal," too often. And maybe I am "different." I mean, after all, I AM white. But I don't think so. I understand that things happen - they happened to me and they happen to other people. I don't think I'm all that different. I was young, I was stupid, I needed help. I didn't have a "chuch" that would have helped. I surely wouldn't have had the capabilities of seeking one out, either. (In fact, my two experiences with "chuch" pretty much convinced me that they were the last people who were going to "help." The Catholic hospital where I delivered my son refused to let me see him for 2 days because they spent those 48 hours trying to high-pressure me into giving him up for adoption - to someone who would "love him," like I could not) and the second was the catholic church where I'd gone to grammar school who would not baptize him with the other "good" babies but insisted it be a private ceremony not held at the altar.) But the government, they DID help me. Not for long and not very much, but enough to let me know I wasn't alone and that somewhere, someone cared enough that my baby would be able to eat and have a place to sleep.

Later on in life, after I was married and had two more children, those two children were born with a genetic disease. An expensive genetic disease. One that our insurance (our two insurances combined) did not begin to cover. Once again, the state of Indiana stepped up and helped defray some of the cost for a few years. I worked, my ex-husband worked, but the medical bills were staggering. Both children would have died without the meds and treatments and surgeries and hospitalizations that the state helped us pay for. Should they have been allowed to die? Should I have been forced to travel from charity to charity begging for coins? All three of my children are now healthy, active, hard working tax payers.

So sure, sometimes people abuse the system. People abuse everything at sometime or another - but do we condemn everyone because of those few?

The truth is, you have no idea of how long the majority of people stay on welfare or whether they buy orange soda pop or bananas with their food stamps. You assume that people are not like me - I assume they are.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

But the middle means that half the people our tax dollars help go on to lead productive lives and they eventually contribute, the same as we do, to society as a whole.

Do you really want to throw them all away?

Better yet, would you have wanted to be the one to look me in the eye and say, "I'm sorry, MrsP, you should have planned better. You should have anticipated that your children would be born with an expensive disease. It's your fault for not knowing the future and therefore, your children must die."

Because that's what you're asking someone to tell people.

mcgraw_wv

I never said 1 racist thing... only you inferred that urban meant black... I've seen plenty of white trash, Chinese trash, trash in general, and they all fall under the category of takers from the system and don't put back anything in return.

Again, In your entire post you never addressed the core question I have raised multiple times...

Why is it my responsibility, or anyone elses to ensure 1 out of 5 women get cheap healthcare? I don't get why you feel the other 4 out of 5 need to pay for the 1 out of 5?

That is the issue here, why do you feel compelled to force others to pay for it? Why can't you rely simply on charity, therefore people who WANT to support those actions, can, and those who don't, don't have too.


Do you support Oil Subsidizes?

Its the SAME idea... And this is the fun part of politics... for every measure people use government to achieve, like providing cheap or free healthcare to those in poverty, the other side uses the same rationale to provide cheap or free taxes, or subsidizes to Oil companies...

The majority paying for the few is wrong.