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Old 07-09-2011, 10:21 AM   #1
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I'll thank STATE for the source of this study which he posted in another thread. But I believe this study is important enough to have it's own thread for discussion.

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A survey of 100 randomly selected mosques in America finds 81% of them feature Islamic literature — not including the Quran and Sunnah — that advocates violence. And 85% of the imams running the mosques actively recommend these tracts.

Only 19% of the mosques do not disseminate Islamic materials sanctioning jihadi violence, according to the peer-reviewed data collected by two scholars sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy. If accurate, this turns everything we've been told by Washington on its head.
U.S. Mosques: Terror Mills? - Investors.com
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Now you've done it, it's Loon Hair Pulling Time, American moonbat liberals have fallen madly in love with this religion, whenever members of this religion go out and slaughter in the name of their God and then "Praise Allah" aftter they have performed surgery on their victim (amputation & decapitation) the American Far Left Liberal goes into a trance or starts raving about Timothy McVeigh.

If things go as usual you will now be branded as a Racist, feel free to beat the ***** out of the Mormons though nobody cares about them.

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Old 07-09-2011, 11:31 AM   #3
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Sort of amazing how badly they've failed. Seems to me we've had more terrorism by right wing radicals than by Muslims since 2001. On the other hand, perhaps it's because the word jihad refers to struggle, and for the overwhelming majority majority of Muslims no longer subscribe violent jihad anymore than Christians subscribe to things like Luke 19:22-27 where Jesus says, "‘those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me." Context is everything when understanding old books in a new world.

Also, let's remember that Investor's Daily is hardly a reliable publication, since it seems to proffer its political line at the expense of truthfulness:

Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On July 31, 2009, an editorial at IBD, criticizing Barack Obama's healthcare plans, claimed that Stephen Hawking "wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless."[7] As Hawking was born and has always lived in the United Kingdom, and receives his medical care from the British National Health Service, the editorial was widely criticized for its inaccuracy.[6][8][9] The online version of the editorial was later corrected to remove and apologize for the implication Stephen Hawking didn't live in the UK, but did not apologize for implying the NHS would judge Stephen Hawking's life as 'worthless'[10] but IBD continued to defend the original editorial, calling the mention of Hawking a "bad example" and accusing those that mentioned their error of "chang[ing] the subject."[11] Hawking responded to the editorial by saying: "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS... I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived."[12]
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Center for Security Policy is a neo con think tank..

The article does not reference the actual study and who were the investigators.. so the overall veracity is questionable.

When you go to the Center for Security Policy there is no obvious link to the study.. so either investors daily made it up or the Center for Security Policy do not want to feature this groundbreaking work.

Inquiring minds, usually want to check the actual study instead of just following along... lemmings come to mind.
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Center for Security Policy is a neo con think tank..

The article does not reference the actual study and who were the investigators.. so the overall veracity is questionable.

When you go to the Center for Security Policy there is no obvious link to the study.. so either investors daily made it up or the Center for Security Policy do not want to feature this groundbreaking work.

Inquiring minds, usually want to check the actual study instead of just following along... lemmings come to mind.
Here's a link to the actual article and the methodology involved.

Shari'a and Violence in American Mosques :: Middle East Quarterly
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Shari'a and Violence in American Mosques :: Middle East Quarterly
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How great is the danger of extremist violence in the name of Islam in the United States? Recent congressional hearings into this question by Rep. Peter King (Republican of New York), chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security, have generated a firestorm of controversy among his colleagues, the press, and the general public. Though similar hearings have taken place at least fourteen times since 2001,[1] King was labeled a latter-day Joe McCarthy and the hearings called an assault on civil liberties and a contemporary witch-hunt. Yet the larger dilemmas outlined by both the congressman and some of his witnesses remain: To what extent are American Muslims, native-born as well as naturalized, being radicalized by Islamists? And what steps can those who are sworn to the protection of American citizenry take that will uncover and disrupt the plots of those willing to take up arms against others for the sake of jihad?
It begs any form of intellectual discussion, as the outcome is predicted prior to the study and bias is evidenced.
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needn't look further than the title to know this was going to be fail thread...

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Sort of amazing how badly they've failed. Seems to me we've had more terrorism by right wing radicals than by Muslims since 2001. On the other hand, perhaps it's because the word jihad refers to struggle, and for the overwhelming majority majority of Muslims no longer subscribe violent jihad anymore than Christians subscribe to things like Luke 19:22-27 where Jesus says, "‘those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me." Context is everything when understanding old books in a new world.
Jihad means struggle? Well that's a relief. Struggle against what?

No what else means struggle? Kampf. As in Mein Kampf.

That passage by Jesus is part of a parable (the Parable of the Ten Minas). He is describing the actions of a king. Christians never subscribed to a thing like that so I don't get your comparison to "Muslims don't believe in violent Jihad anymore".

You are right about old books in a new world as long as the people reading them have joined it. Not sure that describes places like S.A. or Afghanistan.
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Jihad means struggle? Well that's a relief. Struggle against what?

No what else means struggle? Kampf. As in Mein Kampf.

That passage by Jesus is part of a parable (the Parable of the Ten Minas). He is describing the actions of a king. Christians never subscribed to a thing like that so I don't get your comparison to "Muslims don't believe in violent Jihad anymore".

You are right about old books in a new world as long as the people reading them have joined it. Not sure that describes places like S.A. or Afghanistan.
Of course, the vast majority of Christians don't subscribe to the Bible's advocacy of killing, slavery, oppression of women, and other abuses, just as most Muslims don't subscribe to a violent definition of jihad. In fact, I have a very good and devout Muslim friend (which I think says something considering I'm a gay, atheist, Jew!) who is in his early 60s. I've asked him about some of things in the Koran and he said they have to be seen in the context of the whole section in which they appear. Just as Christians over the years have found ways to reinterpret the Bible to be more inclusive and more equal, most Muslims have done the same with the Koran.

And let's not forget that we have mainstream politicians who use the Bible to define women who have abortions as murderers and actually advocate that the courts treat them as such. In 100 years that will be seen as truly nuts, as radical and extremist as some of the things that Muslim radicals advocate. There are radicals on both sides.
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Of course, the vast majority of Christians don't subscribe to the Bible's advocacy of killing, slavery, oppression of women, and other abuses, just as most Muslims don't subscribe to a violent definition of jihad. In fact, I have a very good and devout Muslim friend (which I think says something considering I'm a gay, atheist, Jew!) who is in his early 60s. I've asked him about some of things in the Koran and he said they have to be seen in the context of the whole section in which they appear. Just as Christians over the years have found ways to reinterpret the Bible to be more inclusive and more equal, most Muslims have done the same with the Koran.

And let's not forget that we have mainstream politicians who use the Bible to define women who have abortions as murderers and actually advocate that the courts treat them as such. In 100 years that will be seen as truly nuts, as radical and extremist as some of the things that Muslim radicals advocate. There are radicals on both sides.
I am not sure that your friend in the U.S. represents mainstream Islam. He may be Muslim, but the numbers are in places that are much different culturally. More importantly, the majority of their religious leadership comes from a very different school of thought. The number one export of Saudi Arabia is no longer petroleum, it's ideology. I haven't read the study in the OP and most likely will not. I do know that the Wahabbis have spent a lot of dough building mosques all over the world. In S.A., they have executed people for being homosexual. That's pretty extreme.
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