PatriotsReign

Sorry... That's what I get for being a life-long single guy!

To me, the question is, why on earth would any sane parent send their kid to such an alien world?

Should we stop having our children say things like,

"Here boy, c'mon boy....yes, that's a good boy!" to their dog?

Some day, science may enable men to bear children. But I'm of the mind that such should never be legal...don't even allow such research...but that's just me.

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PatriotsReign

Not sure I agree "Life is tougher...." for women. Maybe just different challenges...somet things harder, some easier. But how would we really know unless we were women wistah?

If you said, building a career in NFL broadcasting (no pun intended) is harder for women, no doubt I'd agree.

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa

This is true!!

Oh, I totally agree - but I'm not sure everyone here does, are you? Some people don't want any other point of view for some reason....or they question it's validity. I've been called a liar here several times when I've related stories from my life.

I don't think so. I've written articles for a board which concerns mothering - there was the occasional full-time father who'd find his way there....they would always be treated with the utmost respect and, honestly, curiousity. The women were always interested in getting a male's point of view about child rearing. I found it kind of sad because, to me, it meant that these women were not getting that kind of input at home from their husbands. I never saw any overt hostility like occasionally rears it's ugly head here.

I don't think it matters to me. I worked most of my life in male dominated fields so I'm used to being odd-girl out. It takes alot of years but you eventually develop a sense of self which does not rely on gender but merely notes it and moves on. I managed to reach a point of acceptance where, when a stranger would remark on my sex the rest of my department would say, "Oh, that's just ______, she's one of the guys," and that was that.

You go through stages, irritation, amusement and then acceptance, I suppose. In the beginning it really made me angry when I'd be working a fire with some other department and, due to the nature of turn out gear no one could tell I was female, when the fire was out and I'd take my helmet, face covering and overcoat off some member of the strange department would do a double take and exclaim, "Oh ***** - it's a woman!" Then it got funny because it happened so often and then it just was - and it was ok because it meant that I did a good enough job that I wasn't automatically suspect as "different," or otherwise inept.

I do know that a good many female poets that I'm acquainted with tend to publish under an initial and a last name. They are convinced that they do not get a fair shake from editors because they are women and so they do not identify themselves as such when submitting work for publication.

They may have a point - I've read several studies which do careful counts and the ratio of published male to female poets is skewed. It could be that there are more males writing poetry, but I doubt it. It could be that they are better poets, but the law of averages is against that, too, I think. I've had editors tell me that they get more submissions from men than from women so that could be the reason, too.....but I do know that many females, when competing in a setting which is not face-to-face, feel more equal if they use either an initial or a sexually ambigious first name.

And that's why I'm not sure schools like this one are a totally bad thing. The reason "you males" assume posters are male is because this is a football board - and, whether you realize it or not - you assume that only males would be interested.

Have you ever asked yourself why that it?

Good for her - but don't be surprised if she takes up with the same kind again, unfortunately. It's the "bad boy" appeal and it's real. It's even more real for normally strong willed intelligent women for some reason. Maybe they think they can break him or something, I don't know. My neice is going through the same thing. If a guy is nice to her, she's bored with him. If he treats her like crap she's intrigued.

Been there, done that. More times than I'd like to admit to.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

I'm truly curious, PR. What would you think a woman would find easier? (Other than getting past a bouncer into a crowded bar?)

chicowalker

Not being expected to support a spouse and family financially.

Not having to deal with women who think they know nwhat they want but really don't? (That one is partly in jest... partly.)

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Is that really expected of a man nowdays? Seems that most families are two income families to me. Both mom and dad work - and mom still bears most of the house work and child care, too.

I read a really interesting article about this just the other day. I'll try to find it. The gist of the article was that most women really DO know what they want - but because most women still operate under the assumption that women are supposed to be peacekeepers and negotiators they back off of it...so they may say, "Oh never mind, that wasn't really what I meant," as a peaceful gesture but inside they really know that's exactly what they wanted.

In other words, they change their wants in an attempt to do what's expected of them or what they think someone else wants them to want - the real dissention is not with the male in question, the real dissention is all in their head because they think they shouldn't have wanted it in the first place and they back off of their original want in order to placate the male - not because they no longer want it.

LOL Not explaining it well - I'll look for the article.

Harry Boy

When and why did this "Mom *****" replace the word "MOTHER"

God Damn America

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chicowalker

Is it expected as much as it used to be? Absolutely not.

Is it still expected? Generally so.

There was an article just last week re a study re women being (un)willing to marry unemployed men. And, yes, $ is still a huge allure for many women.

(Reminds me of the line a friend finally used with a then serious girlfriend who broke out the "you can't commit" line with him one too many times -- easy for you to say, you'll be "committing" to what you want more than anything, having a baby and staying home to take care of it... me committing is committing to take care of you and any kids we have for the next 20 years. (and btw, lest you think he was immature, or an as*hole, he's not... and he married the next woman he dated and she is now expecting with their first )


Do they, though? Weren't you just talking about the allure of the "bad boy"? Yet most women would never admit that's what they want, and when it comes down to reality it's not what they want.

Don't get me wrong, both genders do it. I just get the sense that women do it more, and are much more conflicted by what it means.


Funny, this may be a good indicator of each gender's bias on these things.. but what you described above sounds much more male than female to me.

Most men I know feel they are constantly trying to appease the women in their lives, backing off what they really want because either they know it's important to the woman or they know it's not important to them. ("A happy wife is a happy life.")

IcyPatriot

I was 'ing reading this thread. My oldest, a girl used to play soccer with boys up to age 14 and she pretty much owned the field so to speak. So when people asked me how many kids I had I used to say i have 3 boys and one looks like a girl.

In any case they have done studies that proved most boys and most girls fit the stereotypes a bit as to childhood preferences - but when they don't nobody should care - whatever. When I was in grade school 3 or 4 boys used to play jump rope and hopscotch with the girls - in hindsight they were smarter than the rest of us.

IcyPatriot

Women can both talk and listen to each other at the same time.