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chicowalker · 06-28-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

...The Judge is stating the obvious as does the law. Now if this holds ie Life begins at conception then the infant in the womb is granted 14th amendment rights. That was acknowledged in Roe, of course science has advanced since Roe.

It's far from obvious, unless the term "human physical life" is held to mean something different from "human life." If that's the case, however, there's no reason a "human physical life" would have constitutional rights, including those granted by the 14th amendment.

(Even if it were held to mean the same thing, in which case it's far from obvious that it is true, there would need to be a constitutional amendment to re-define who qualifies under the 14th amendment... I think...)

OT: Btw, since you do believe that life begins at conception -- and I certainly grant that you could be right -- do you think that all miscarriages should require at least minimal police investigations?

***patsfan13*** · 06-28-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gainzo

lifesitenews.com? Nice neutral source.

What does the site have to do with the words uttered by the Judge in the decision?

Or to the impact on the issue?

***patsfan13*** · 06-28-2011, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chicowalker

It's far from obvious, unless the term "human physical life" is held to mean something different from "human life." If that's the case, however, there's no reason a "human physical life" would have constitutional rights, including those granted by the 14th amendment.

(Even if it were held to mean the same thing, in which case it's far from obvious that it is true, there would need to be a constitutional amendment to re-define who qualifies under the 14th amendment... I think...)

OT: Btw, since you do believe that life begins at conception -- and I certainly grant that you could be right -- do you think that all miscarriages should require at least minimal police investigations?

A miscarriage is a natural biological process. If OTOH the mother and child are assaulted and the child dies as a result of the attack should charges be brought only on the assault on the Mother?

For example a woman is 6 months pregnant, she is pushed and hits a wall. She is not injured herself but the baby is killed. Does the perf just get charged with a misdemeanor for shoving the woman?

Gainzo · 06-28-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

What does the site have to do with the words uttered by the Judge in the decision?

Or to the impact on the issue?

Abortion is still legal in this Country no matter what some states try to do.

Question: As a man why do you feel like you are the moral authority on this issue?

chicowalker · 06-28-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

A miscarriage is a natural biological process. If OTOH the mother and child are assaulted and the child dies as a result of the attack should charges be brought only on the assault on the Mother?

For example a woman is 6 months pregnant, she is pushed and hits a wall. She is not injured herself but the baby is killed. Does the perf just get charged with a misdemeanor for shoving the woman?

A miscarriage is a natural biological process, if it isn't brought on by the mother's actions. Just like a baby or any other human can die from natural causes.

But shouldn't there be an investigation to make sure? What if she in some way caused it? That has to be manslaughter, murder, or at least negligence, no?

***patsfan13*** · 06-28-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chicowalker

A miscarriage is a natural biological process, if it isn't brought on by the mother's actions. Just like a baby or any other human can die from natural causes.

But shouldn't there be an investigation to make sure? What if she in some way caused it? That has to be manslaughter, murder, or at least negligence, no?

Well when a mother kills her baby now what happens?

PatsFanInVa · 06-28-2011, 06:48 PM

The law says once a baby is born, it's a baby.

The law says before that, it's a fetus.

Your church might tell you otherwise. It does not matter.

Why do you support government choosing what health provider a woman uses?

Why are pubblies so selectively big-government in this regard?

PFnV

chicowalker · 06-28-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

Well when a mother kills her baby now what happens?

Criminal investigation and possible charges. That's why I'm asking you the question.

Triple-T · 06-28-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chicowalker

OT: Btw, since you do believe that life begins at conception -- and I certainly grant that you could be right -- do you think that all miscarriages should require at least minimal police investigations?

Yeah, this is where PF13's views get super awesome. If life begins at egg fertilization, then fertility docs better get prepared for multiple criminal cases. I mean talk about mass murder and unlawful imprisonment. They need to be stopped before abortion docs. Go fight that battle.

The Brandon Five · 06-29-2011, 08:49 AM

In most of the world a women's right to choose means the right to choose not to have women.