Patsfanin Philly

I guess Speaker Pelosi was right. You have to pass the legislation to find out what's in it....

AP NewsBreak: A twist in Obama's health care law - Yahoo! News



<<<<<WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's health care law would let several million middle-class people get nearly free insurance meant for the poor, a twist government number crunchers say they discovered only after the complex bill was signed.

The change would affect early retirees: A married couple could have an annual income of about $64,000 and still get Medicaid, said officials who make long-range cost estimates for the Health and Human Services department.
The Medicare actuary's office roughed out some examples to illustrate how the provision would work. A married couple retiring at 62 in 2014 and receiving the maximum Social Security benefit of $23,500 apiece could get $17,000 from other sources and still qualify for Medicaid with a total income of $64,000. <<<<<<<<<<

chicowalker

Is a couple making $64k per year really middle class anymore?

I wouldn't think that income level would require free health insurance from the government, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were to be subsidized.

Real World

Everythings relative I guess. $64k where, and under what circumstances? In some parts it's not much, in others it's good coin. Also, is that $64k taxed, in pocket. Some "income" isn't taxable. I'm not a CPA but I don't believe SS is taxable, nor are some IRA's. The devil is always in the details. Generally speaking, your average couple making $64k wouldn't be too well off. Not here in Massachusetts that's for sure.

One thing this points out, which some of us have been saying from day 1, is that this bill is going to cost a lot more than they're saying.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
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Holy Diver

people shouldn't have to worry about getting sick. Its a 100% guarentee that you'll need a doctor at some point.

medicare for all!
30% savings off the top.
cover the youngest and most cost effective people.
re-employ all healthcare workers as fraud investigators
put those who have profited off denial of coverage in jail.

bring back manufacturing, don't tax anything that is "Made in the USA"

focus on educating our youth, and protecting our citizens.



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Roland

What is the difference - to make ObamaCare work a % of people will have to always croak to make the numbers jive.

Harry Boy

Harry Likes This
See this is why I don't think your a Loon, what you suggest is a good plan for the people, thats why we will never see it.

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IcyPatriot

HD breathes a sigh of relief ... he is not a loon.

PatriotsReign

I'm all for this as long as we don't 30% of Americans paying for 70% of the population to benefit from these programs.

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IllegalContact

to someone whose children are out of college, and their mortgage is paid off, it's a nice chunk of change to live off of, especially if you bothered to do some saving as you aged.

it's a pretty good ride to the sunset

mcgraw_wv

Is that Gross or Net?

Gross 64 is around 45k a year in take home.

That's NOTHING unless you live in the country.

That's 3750 a month in take home money.

Let's assume 150.00 a month in Electricity ( if your lucky )
Assume a 1k mortgage a month ( modest home )
Lets assume 2 200.00 car payments ( 400.00 )
Let's assume a 150 a week grocery bill for a family of 4.
Let's assume a 200 credit card(s) payment

3750
-150
-1000
-400
-600
-200
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= 1400

1400 a month to pay for things like Medical, Gas, Entertainment like Cable and Internet, and other things.

So... I'm not seeing an issue with this.