patsfan13

Depends on a number of factors, how was the funding relative to the number of recipients, was the aid a duplicated by other programs (food stamps, welfare and so on). The specifics of the program matters.

I personally feel people should behave in a responsible manner. Adoption should be a more viable options for mothers who can''t support themselves. Adopting in the USA is very difficult for the adoptive parents and there are legal problems for the adoptive parents that should be removed.

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Gainzo

How is adopting a child hard? Legal problems stopping people from adoption? You mean those legal things like felons can't adopt or the inane laws in most states where gay couples can't adopt?

Face the facts. There are way more kids up for adoption that there are people to adopt them.

patsfan13

No the birth mother doesn't have to fully surrender legal rights to the child, in some cases the birth mother has taken a child from the adoptive parents. This is frankly a terrifying thought to many/most adoptive mothers.

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DarrylS

Here is a news flash, everybody believes that people should behave in a responsible manner, but often they do not.

Adoption is not a viable option, right now in america there are a lot of children available for adoption, however they languish in very expensive systems... unwanted children burden every system. Mothers who have children often do not want to give the baby up after birth, maybe you can pass a law and decide to take babies away and give them up for adoption.

The right is turning into a pro pregnancy party, after you are born you are on your own you little f...er.

Adoption should have a degree of difficulty, as you do not want to violate the most sacred bond there is; the legal relationship between parent and child. Making it easy is not always the best way.

The right talks about family values, but wants to shortcut parental rights.. so that child might be adopted, many are not and some disrupt.

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DarrylS

The birth parents have to surrender their legal rights, if they do not there cannot be an adoption. The court can terminate them involuntarily, provided that certain requirements are met and proven beyond a reasonable doubt in Family Court.

You want to make the most basic legal bond we have "easy", it should have a degree of difficulty to insure everyone's rights are not violated. My interaction with Family Court Judges view this termination as something that should be taken very seriously insuring all procedures are met.

You talk about how wonderful this unwanted pregnancy is, if so why don't you advocate for excellent support systems to insure the child flourishes.. just taking a child away harkens back to the orphan trains of the 30's.

FYI once an adoption is final, birth parents do not have any legal rights to take the child back. You do not have any idea of the process, it is very complicated and there is due diligence to insure that there cannot be any reason to overturn the court decision.

Back in the day I did a lot of voluntary and involuntary terminations of parental rights, and none of my work was every overturned.. and none of my placements were ever disrupted by a birth parent. You do not know anything about the process and what it entails...

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa

That's a cop-out answer. You've often railed against social programs for the poor, PF13. Do you want to see the WIC program cut? Are you okay with 20,000 pregnant women and children being unable to eat because funding was cut?

So you don't really want all these pregnant woman who are aborting their babies to actually keep their babies, is that it? They should simply have them and give them away once they've fullfilled their destiny? FIne, who supports them while they're pregnant? Who feeds them if they cannot work? Who shelters them if they get kicked out of their home? Who delivers their baby if they do not have the ability to pay a doctor or hospital bill? The adoptive parents? That's illegal, isn't it? That's baby-buying and I think it's against the law. And it doesn't work for the huge percentage of women who are not blue eyed blondes - you know the ones - the minority women whose babies are not in high demand. The ones whose children already overload the foster system.

Adoption is difficult, yes. I'm not sure that's an entirely bad thing. Good perspective parents succeed - the not so good one, maybe not. I have several relatives who've adopted children - I believe you've said that you have adopted children - people are successful.

What legal problems would you have removed? The laws against gay people adopting? The laws against single parents adopting? The laws which require parents to be below or above a certain age? Many of those problems go away if the perspective parents are willing to take a child who is less than perfect, less than an infant, less in demand, so to speak.

Gainzo

Fantastic post Mrs.PatsFanInVa. The GOP wants all pregnant women to give birth but after the child is born there will be no support for the child.

How does that make sense?

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

It doesn't.

I'd be the first person to support stricter anti-abortion laws if we found some way to assure that all pregnant women and all children would be fed, given adequate shelter, medical care and education, if we instituted a policy which taught sex education, including pregnancy prevention, to everyone and if we offered birth control methods on a sliding scale fee to all.

Until then - until people who argue that all life is sacred and all abortion is murder find a way to make life not only sacred but bearable find it in themselves to put their money where their morality is - not so much.

I am uncomfortable telling a woman what to do with her future when I am unwilling or unable to help her make that future bearable.

Harry Boy

It's COOL to go to Africa to adopt then the Loons can parade around and "feel good" they love it when people look at them.

Adopting in Africa is the "In Thing" to do if your rich and famous, oh look at me.

I don't know what it's like today but Religion used to be a big factor in adopting, I have also heard that it is difficult today to adopt in America, I'm not to well versed on adoption, I had to have a Vasectomy to stop having kids.

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chicowalker

harry again fascinated with Hollywood...

can you name more than ahandful of people -- if that many -- who have adoped in Africa?

(and btw, who cares where somebody adopts a child from? Does it have any effect whatsoever on you?)