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Hey, PF13 - isn't this your guy? (Or one of 'em, anyhow?)
Doesn't the Constitution forbid this kind of thing? Isn't there some provision there that guarentees freedom for all religions?
Isn't it kind of ironic (or maybe moronic) that he wants people to show extra proof of loyality to a document which clearly states that no man should ever have to do such a thing?
GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said any Muslim who wants to serve in his potential administration would have to show proof of loyalty to the United States Constitution.
BECK: So wait a minute, are you saying that Muslims have to prove, there has to be a loyalty proof?
CAIN: Yes, to the Constitution of the United States of America.
BECK: Well, would you do that to a Catholic or a Mormon?
CAIN: No, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t because there is a greater dangerous part of the Muslim faith than there is in these other religions. I know there are some Muslims who talk about but we’re a peaceful religion. I’m sure that there are some peace-loving.
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Perhaps he is taking note of Jihadist like the Maj Hassan who ignored his oath to uphold the constitution and shot 42 people in the name of his religion. It is a basic premise of Islam that one's duty is to the religion and not to civil authority. The premise is that it has both a civil and a religious component, hence the movement towards Sharia where all aspect of society are controlled by Islam. This is the movement in the ME (see the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, Al Queda the mullahs in Iran and so on).
What would be unconstitutional on having members of a religion large parts of which have said they want to destroy the USA confirm they don't subscribe to this ideology?
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What would be unconstitutional on having members of a religion large parts of which have said they want to destroy the USA confirm they don't subscribe to this ideology?
If you are ignorant enough of The Constitution, American and everything they stand for to ask that question, PF13, there's absolutely no reason for anyone to even entertain the idea of wasting even 3 minutes of their time trying to educate you.
If you are ignorant enough of The Constitution, American and everything they stand for to ask that question, PF13, there's absolutely no reason for anyone to even entertain the idea of wasting even 3 minutes of their time trying to educate you.
It is sad when someone defends what he said... the right seems to believe that the constitution is a situational document...
Perhaps he is taking note of Jihadist like the Maj Hassan who ignored his oath to uphold the constitution and shot 42 people in the name of his religion. It is a basic premise of Islam that one's duty is to the religion and not to civil authority. The premise is that it has both a civil and a religious component, hence the movement towards Sharia where all aspect of society are controlled by Islam. This is the movement in the ME (see the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, Al Queda the mullahs in Iran and so on).
What would be unconstitutional on having members of a religion large parts of which have said they want to destroy the USA confirm they don't subscribe to this ideology?
Hassan was not appointed to serve in anyone's administration.. different scenario.. .
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In fairness to Cain, he might still be getting confused about which is the Constitution and which is the Declaration.
(Of course, we've already learned that many pubbies don't really care about either one, or anything else about US history, as long as they conflict with their chosen ones' words...)
Perhaps he is taking note of Jihadist like the Maj Hassan who ignored his oath to uphold the constitution and shot 42 people in the name of his religion. It is a basic premise of Islam that one's duty is to the religion and not to civil authority. The premise is that it has both a civil and a religious component, hence the movement towards Sharia where all aspect of society are controlled by Islam. This is the movement in the ME (see the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, Al Queda the mullahs in Iran and so on). ...?
as opposed to Christianity, and other religions?
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Originally Posted by patsfan13
...What would be unconstitutional on having members of a religion large parts of which have said they want to destroy the USA confirm they don't subscribe to this ideology?
Actually, I would have thought that all members of each administration swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, etc.
Now, if you want Muslims to swear a separate oath, then you're really no different than the bigots who feared (as some surely still do fear) a Catholic President having loyalty to the Pope ahead of our nation.
Actually, I would have thought that all members of each administration swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, etc.
Yeah, they do. Everyone takes an oath of office and agrees to uphold the Constitution.....Maybe Mr. Cain does not know that.
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Now, if you want Muslims to swear a separate oath, then you're really no different than the bigots who feared (as some surely still do fear) a Catholic President having loyalty to the Pope ahead of our nation.
However, I think he does know it because he made sure he specified that Muslims would have to make a special declaration - one that he would not ask Catholics or Jews or anyone else to make.
Bigoted, indeed. There's no other word for it. Substitute any other word for Muslim - female, black, gay, Catholic, Jewish, etc., and it would suddenly become a really bad thing to say....except to misogynists, white supremacists, homophobics, Irish Protestants, or Anti-Semitics.
Yeah, they do. Everyone takes an oath of office and agrees to uphold the Constitution.....Maybe Mr. Cain does not know that.
However, I think he does know it because he made sure he specified that Muslims would have to make a special declaration - one that he would not ask Catholics or Jews or anyone else to make.
Bigoted, indeed. There's no other word for it. Substitute any other word for Muslim - female, black, gay, Catholic, Jewish, etc., and it would suddenly become a really bad thing to say....except to misogynists, white supremacists, homophobics, Irish Protestants, or Anti-Semitics.
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OT: It's always interesting to me when members of one persecuted group opts to treat members of another group the same way.
First saw it directly at a company I worked at where the 2 senior partners both were Jewish and were fairly sensitive to slights against Jews, despite often making similar jokes themselves and feeling free to make jokes about other groups. None of that really bothered me, though, especially the jokes about Jews (I don't buy the "double standard" laments a few folks here so often whine about). But it did bother me when they outright disciminated in their hiring. Women, Asians, homosexuals, Indians... all dismissed from consideration under the vague rubric of "doesn't seem to be our kind of guy." Just white males. (as an aside, I noticed over time that 1 partner really seemed to like tall, athletic males... we never really delved into that )
And more recently saw it with the reports of gay marriage allegedly losing here in CA because of the large influx of black voters supporting Obama. I don't know if that contention was ever borne out, but I do believe blacks and hispanics tend to oppose gay rights disproportionately, something often attributed to religious views. If true, it's an interesting phenomenon. Are they unaware of the hypocrisy? is it the "crabs in a bucket" idea?
I guess most of it probably comes down, again, to the fact that we're all human...
Actually, I would have thought that all members of each administration swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, etc.
Now, if you want Muslims to swear a separate oath, then you're really no different than the bigots who feared (as some surely still do fear) a Catholic President having loyalty to the Pope ahead of our nation.
Very much as opposed to any major religion at this time. If you have an example where murder in the name of the religion is favored by well > 20% of the believers I would love to see it.
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