PatsWSB47

It seems logical enough but I can imagine all sorts of bigot charges if it were a straight league trying to keep gays from playing.

wistahpatsfan

This is silly stuff.

I wonder if this rule would go for all-girl orchestras...

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chicowalker

42, those kinds of arguments completely ignore the reality that is the history of bigotry in the country -- in this case, towards homosexuals.

Personally, I think it sounds ridiculous for a gay league, or whatever, to keep bisexuals out, but I'm not in the league, I don't know the dynamic b/t gays and bisexuals, etc.

It reminds me of that guy who sues bars for having ladies nights, or women who want to sue Hooters for not hiring fat women.

PatsWSB47

Would it sound ridiculous for a straight league to keep gays or bisexuals out because they weren't straight enough? I have a feeling that would be frowned upon. And your criticism is exactly what bothers me. It is assumed that straight people would do it out of bigotry or hate and that it would simply be a continuance of every gay bashing thing that's ever happened. Would a gay player be a jerk for suing the straight league for keeping him or her out? Would a straight league ever be allowed to start without legal challenges?

chicowalker

Like I said, you're completely ignoring the facts of bigotry in this country.

Yes, it is assumed that a "straight league" keeping gays out is doing so out of bigotry. Are there other reasons they would do so? If so, educate me.

There are legitimate reasons why a gay league might exist -- for example, non-acceptance of gays, particularly in sports, and particularly in male sports.

Are you going to pretend that, in many softball leagues, a gay man just might not be welcomed with open arms?

Personally, I think private organizations should be able to do what they want -- in this kind of situation, that goes for a gay softball league or a straight one. In this case, it would become an issue if they play on public fields, I would guess. Country club wants to prohibit gays, women, Jews, blacks, or white Christian men? I truly don't care -- none of my business. unless I'm a member or considering joining, and then it's a decision for me to make.

So, let me now turn the hypotheticals to you, since you have a problem with the gay league. Should women be able to keep men out? Should an over-40 league be able to keep 35 year olds out?

mcgraw_wv

This ruling is 100% opposite of what RP would do. No one has a right to play organized sports, or anything else organized for that matter.

As long as they are not receiving public funds, they should be able to set whatever entry criteria they would want.

wistahpatsfan

Like no blacks at the lunch counter?

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mcgraw_wv

Yep...

No difference than the government forcing you to allow minorities to sleep in your house. Why are you suggesting we force business owners to allow any one into their private dwelling, and not force you to allow anyone into yours?

Also... where is the outrage at the country club? Why can't I go have lunch there if I am not rich enough to be a member? Shouldn't they allow me too? why can't the government force them to allow me in?

Real World

Not if they're playing with my trombone.

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Real World

I'm with 42 on this one. The history should be irrelevent to the main point. I agree there is a history, but that doesn't give anyone the "right" to do something other people wouldn't be allowed to do. Certainly not as it's being done here. There shouldn't be a double standard, unless there is no standard at all. Mind you, I couldn't care less what that private league does. If it were an Irish softball league, could they restrict people who weren't "Irish enough"? I'd venture to guess that some would argue that sexuality is different than nationality, but I digress...

BTW, how do you even prove someone is, or is not gay in this case? If I showed up and said I was gay, how would they prove otherwise? How can someone not be gay enough? Do they have a gayness test or something?

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