Texas law requires sonograms, explanations before abortions - New England Patriots Forums

Gainzo · 05-23-2011, 02:46 PM

I know Republicans are pro-life and I have no problem with that stance (Its a free Country). My problem with this is twofold:

1). Putting a barrier on a legal medical procedure.
2). Who pays for the sonogram?

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Women seeking an abortion in Texas will have to view a picture of the embryo or fetus and hear a description of its development before having the procedure, under a law that takes effect September 1.

The bill stirred some controversy in Texas, but it easily passed through the state House and Senate, both of which are controlled by Republicans. It was signed into law Thursday by Republican Gov. Rick Perry.

The law says that at least 24 hours before an abortion is performed, women must undergo a sonogram, a procedure that uses ultrasound to create an image.

The doctor, then, is required to give, "in a manner understandable to a layperson, a verbal explanation of the results of the sonogram images, including a medical description of the dimensions of the embryo or fetus, the presence of cardiac activity, and the presence of external members and internal organs," the law states.

There are some exceptions, including pregnancies that resulted from sexual assault, incest or other violations of law.

Women seeking abortions also are exempt if the fetus has been found to have an irreversible medical condition that will cause a disability.

"Governor Perry was pleased to sign this important legislation, which bolsters our efforts to protect life by ensuring Texans are fully informed when considering such an important decision," said his deputy press secretary, Lucy Nashed.

Critics say the new law is unnecessary.

"What no one is focusing on is that this is a mandate to humiliate women who want an abortion," said Yvonne Gutierrez, vice president for public affairs at the Planned Parenthood Trust of South Texas.

Texas already requires a 24-hour consent period, and the new law will simply add emotional and financial costs to those seeking abortions, she said.

"It's going to make it more difficult for women to get an abortion," Gutierrez said, calling it the most stringent sonogram law in the country.

In addition, Gutierrez said, there is the fear that the added requirements on doctors could make them averse to providing the procedure for fear of legal action that could lead to revocation of their licenses.

But Elizabeth Graham, director of Texas Right to Life, said, "As long as they are following the law, they have nothing to worry about."

The law, she says, "will strengthen informed consent and bring abortion closer to standards that are set for other surgical procedures."

If anything, requiring a sonogram is simply like requiring an X-ray before a surgical procedure, Graham said.

"The sonogram law is an enormous step forward toward protecting women's health in Texas," she said.

Texas law requires sonograms, explanations before abortions - CNN

***patsfan13*** · 05-23-2011, 03:04 PM

Mnay procedures require informed consent. Many women suffer depression after killing an unborn child, and there have been women who have died from botched abortions. They should be afforded to opportunity to see the life they are terminating. Insurance should cover the cost just like other medical procedures.

***Harry Boy*** · 05-23-2011, 03:09 PM

Casterization, hysterrectamal procedures, vasectomenial ***** and other methods would help.

If your slut is knocked up and you want to get rid of it take her horse back riding.

chicowalker · 05-23-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

Mnay procedures require informed consent. ....

Examples? (comparable ones, please -- not children, etc.)

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

...Many women suffer depression after killing an unborn child, and there have been women who have died from botched abortions. ....

Fortunately this doesn't involve any children.

And what do the risks of the procedure, or possibility of depression, have to do with a sonogram? If you were truly concerned about "informed consent," they would be made aware of those risks.

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...They should be afforded to opportunity...

They have the opportunity. That's not what the law is about.

Question is whether the government should be forcing individuals to do this.

Gainzo · 05-23-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

Mnay procedures require informed consent. Many women suffer depression after killing an unborn child, and there have been women who have died from botched abortions. They should be afforded to opportunity to see the life they are terminating. Insurance should cover the cost just like other medical procedures.

Texas already has a 24 hour waiting period before a woman gets an abortion. Why is this law necessary?

Insurance should cover an unnecessary cost (sonogram)? That makes no sense. I'm pretty sure the private insurance companies in Texas will drop abortion coverage based on this law as it is a cost they don't want to pay for.

They are after all, all about $$

***Nikolai*** · 05-23-2011, 03:12 PM

They're still letting them get the abortion, but are making sure they know what it is they are doing, and I don't really have a problem with education. I've heard one version of what Planned Parenthood tells prospective clients, but perhaps someone could tell me from the pro-choice side. Do they help their clients make informed decisions?

***Nikolai*** · 05-23-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gainzo

Texas already has a 24 hour waiting period before a woman gets an abortion. Why is this law necessary?

Insurance should cover an unnecessary cost (sonogram)? That makes no sense. I'm pretty sure the private insurance companies in Texas will drop abortion coverage based on this law as it is a cost they don't want to pay for.

Interesting points about the insurance coverage. I think your concern has plausibility. Hrmmm...

emoney_33 · 05-23-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikolai

They're still letting them get the abortion, but are making sure they know what it is they are doing, and I don't really have a problem with education.

Well not exactly. It's more of an attempt to encourage obedience with fear and guilt. If it were in the name of education, put it in the schools for all to learn, not the clinic when emotions are heavily involved.

Gainzo · 05-23-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikolai

They're still letting them get the abortion, but are making sure they know what it is they are doing, and I don't really have a problem with education. I've heard one version of what Planned Parenthood tells prospective clients, but perhaps someone could tell me from the pro-choice side. Do they help their clients make informed decisions?

Have you seen 12th and Delaware? It was a documentary that aired last year on HBO. It is chilling to watch.

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12th and Delaware, the next selection in the HBO summer documentary series premieres Monday night at 9pm on HBO. The seemingly sleepy intersection of Delaware Ave. and 12th St. in Fort Pierce, Florida is ground zero for the ferocious abortion rights battle raging in America. On one corner stands the abortion clinic A Woman’s World; across the street is the Pregnancy Care Center, an ambiguously named pro-life outpost dedicated to heading off abortion seekers at the pass. 12th and Delaware provides a compelling, fly-on-the-wall view of the ideological trench warfare that takes place daily at this crossroads, where real women struggle to deal with unwanted pregnancy.

Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady, Oscar nominees for 2006's documentary Jesus Camp, directs 12th & Delaware The directors contacted more than 100 crisis pregnancy centers before settling on the center in Fort Pierce.

Anti-abortion establishments, like the one in Fort Pierce, usually set up across the street from abortion clinics, persuading women going into the clinic to choose differently. By offering lunch, sharing anti-abortion literature, and, encouraging the women to view graphic videos, they try to persuade the women to go pro-life.

Both centers have different view points, and are passionate about them but, run-ins with each other have not resulted in much violence. The documentary was shot the same year abortion provider, Dr. George Tiller, was murdered in his church, underscoring the real life danger of the doctors.

12th & Delawareis an official selection of the 2010 Sundance Film Festival. The documentary premieres Monday, August 2nd at 9pm on HBO.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed...res-august-2nd

***patsfan13*** · 05-23-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gainzo

Texas already has a 24 hour waiting period before a woman gets an abortion. Why is this law necessary?

Insurance should cover an unnecessary cost (sonogram)? That makes no sense. I'm pretty sure the private insurance companies in Texas will drop abortion coverage based on this law as it is a cost they don't want to pay for.

They are after all, all about $$

What are the cost for women who suffer servre injuries and even death from abortions?

What are the cost of treating the psychological probrems that can accompany abortions?

What is the cost of lost productivity from children who are never born?

Less than the cost of an ultra sound. When the capital cost of the machine is amoritized the incremental cost of a scan should be minimal.

My daighter had a couple during routinue checkup to make sure her baby was OK. It was inculded in the prenatal visit.

This is a straw man argument IMO. Many women on seeing the baby in their womb change their mind. This is the concern of the pro abortion people. Women having more information and making a decision for life rather than death.