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So Today Obama presented his Long form Birth Certificate, how special. Only thing is that the document how more holes and smells worse than moldy Swiss Cheese.
Now I am not really a Birther, I do wonder why the press has never investigated the least documented President in our history, no records of his activities seem to exist, no school records at all, no Bar Exam scores and on and on. The most interesting topic of his background was his adoption by Lolo Soetoro. Lolo adopted little Barry and enrolled him in school. Did Lolo enroll Barry as an Indonesian citizen? Did Barry apply to college and get financial aid as a foreign student? Di he travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport? (it was illegal for Americans to travel to Pakistn at the time) and of course the SS # that was previously issued to a deceased person in CT.
I was never in favor of trying to eject Barry from office as a result of any lies he may have told about his background or his Natural Born or Citizenship status (if Barry was given Indonesian citizenship he would no longer be a US Citizen since Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship.
Since I am about to hit the sack I don't have the time now to go into all the particulars about the political reasons for releasing this new (?) Birth certificate.
Now My intention is to talk about the many questions raised by the latest document. And there are a lot, with more to come mostly from the blogsphere who will actually examining the document as opposed to the lapdog media and the establishment pols of both parties.
I will delete post that seek to derail the thread, I will welcome replies that debunk points raised.
The first item is very obvious. In both COLBS Obama's race is listed as "African". Really? Didn't know there was an African race, back at the time of Little Barry's Birth you were Caucasian, Asian, Negro (think they had categories for Indian and American Eskimo) and for people of mixed race Colored. Barry would have fallen in the Colored or Negro catagory.
I would love to see another BC where a person is labeled as African from that time frame.
The Second is the paper used for this COLB, the paper isn't what was used at that time by the state. In the next day or so I will link to contemporaneous COLB that show the type of paper used.
the last for today is the discrepancy in who delivered little Barry, when the first COLB was produced in 2009 Snopes talked to one of Barry's teachers who claimed to be one of the only people to have first hand knowledge of Barry's birth. The problem the doc she cited (and that Snopes and lefties claimed as 'proof' the first COLB was right) is different from the doc on the new COLB. Who is lying?
“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.
His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”
The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.
BTW was Obama Sr guilty of Statutory rape? See Obama Sr was 24 and mommy was 17 when little Barry was conceived.
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That might be the funniest thing I've read here in a few weeks.
On topic:
WTF else does he have to do? Get the delorian up to 88 mph, and bring you to the hospital?
All this crap reminds me of the old Monty python skit where they are scheming on how to figure out if someone is a witch. By the end they have concluded that it is directly related to the accused's weight compared to that of a duck.
Barack Obama is a natural born American. You asked to see his long form BC, well here it is, and you claim that "the blogosphere" has questions?
Orly Taitz, Joe Farah and the rest of the "Birther" Hierarchy still continue to lead the lemmings down that road of insignificance and internal combustion.. and many follow, perhaps it is from some secret message that is implanted in their brain.. or perhaps it is just stupidity.
"In those years ... when they wrote race, they were writing 'Negro' not 'African'," Taitz says. "In those days nobody wrote African as a race, it just wasn't one of the options. It sounds like it would be written today, in the age of political correctness, and not in 1961 when they wrote white or Asian or 'Negro'."
Taitz says she's not giving up her fight. She also claims Obama isn't a "natural born citizen" because she uses a standard that requires both parents to be American citizens -- a misreading of the Constitution which if enforced would have rendered several other American Presidents ineligible.
The "Certificate of Live Birth" document released by the White House today, if authentic, assures Americans that their president was born in Hawaii as he has said, according to two participants in a lawsuit who challenged the president's tenure in the Oval Office.
But they say it also proves he's ineligible under the Constitution's requirements to be president.
According to Mario Apuzzo, the attorney who argued the Kerchner vs. Obama case, and the lead plaintiff, retired Navy Cmdr. Charles Kerchner, the documentation reveals that Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan national subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, was the father when Barack Obama Jr. was born.
That, they say, would disqualify Obama because of the Founders' requirement in the Constitution that a president be a "natural born Citizen," commonly understood during the era of the beginnings of the United States to mean a citizen offspring of two citizen parents.
__________________ "Being the best doesn't mean you always win. It just means you win more than anyone else".. tweet from Kurt Warner to Tom Brady.
George Washington was a British citizen, and fought for the Brits -- badly, as I understand it -- against the French and Indians.
His father and mother were crown subjects.
Washington did not go to college but was awarded 5 different law degrees. And he never practiced law in any capacity, with or without the degrees.
I have friends -- rich friends I might add -- who can't get their clod children into college. And these are rich people, did I mention that? How did Washington, a British citizen, get everything wired in his favor to become the first president?
I know of very smart and brave people who wouldn't have been able to get to where he got, no matter how brave or smart they were.
I hear that Washington couldn't have been qualified to be president, and I'm not saying he was or wasn't, I just know I hear that and I've got people looking into it, and what they're finding is unbelievable. Unbelievable.
The first item is very obvious. In both COLBS Obama's race is listed as "African". Really? Didn't know there was an African race, back at the time of Little Barry's Birth you were Caucasian, Asian, Negro (think they had categories for Indian and American Eskimo) and for people of mixed race Colored. Barry would have fallen in the Colored or Negro catagory.
"Barry's" race isn't mentioned in either the long or the short form birth certificates at all. The father's race is listed as "African," on both but not the child's.
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BTW was Obama Sr guilty of Statutory rape? See Obama Sr was 24 and mommy was 17 when little Barry was conceived.
The whole age of consent thing is a moot issue, whether his mother was of sufficient age has nothing to do with him and only makes his story more compelling.. the father is dead, and very difficult to pursue this allegation with a dead man, even though the age of consent was much lower..
Even if there was statutory rape, you cannot blame a child for the sins of a father..
Just the newest faux outrage of the day.. some folks need to believe this stuff.
__________________ "Being the best doesn't mean you always win. It just means you win more than anyone else".. tweet from Kurt Warner to Tom Brady.
George Washington was a British citizen, and fought for the Brits -- badly, as I understand it -- against the French and Indians.
His father and mother were crown subjects.
Washington did not go to college but was awarded 5 different law degrees. And he never practiced law in any capacity, with or without the degrees.
I have friends -- rich friends I might add -- who can't get their clod children into college. And these are rich people, did I mention that? How did Washington, a British citizen, get everything wired in his favor to become the first president?
I know of very smart and brave people who wouldn't have been able to get to where he got, no matter how brave or smart they were.
I hear that Washington couldn't have been qualified to be president, and I'm not saying he was or wasn't, I just know I hear that and I've got people looking into it, and what they're finding is unbelievable. Unbelievable.
Where's the outrage?
PFnV
One of the principal signatories to our founding documents, Ben Franklin, had father who was born in England..
__________________ "Being the best doesn't mean you always win. It just means you win more than anyone else".. tweet from Kurt Warner to Tom Brady.
PF, are you saying that a child a statutory rape (which MPViVa points out is not the case), is not worthy to be president? That's the the kind of comment that fits directly into the liberal thinking about conservative intolerance.
Also, what do you mean no records seem to exist. There is plenty of evidence out there. Obama wrote a book about growing up; there have been articles about his mother, about his life in Indonesia, and so on. He's probably more vetted than most. There are more questions about Bush or McCain than there are about Obama, it's just that the questions are not worth asking.
Are you saying Obama committed a crime if he traveled as a little boy to Pakistan? Do you have an iota of evidence that Obama had an Indonesian passport? If he did, what would it mean? Can a child renounce his American citizenship? Does natural born mean a parent can take that away? What's your point? And since when does Indonesian law apply in the US? Even if Obama had dual citizenship (no evidence of that), he does not lose his American citizenship because the Indonesians say so. This is the same sort of birther nonsense where they wave a Kenyan birth certificate as proof that Obama was born there, as if Kenyan record keeping is more honest than our own.
What evidence do you have that Obama got Indonesian foreign financial aid? Do you have more evidence of that than I have that Romney used to smoke crack? And what evidence is there that Obama has the SS# of a deceased person? Where did you get that one from? Area 51? As has been stated many times, the reason Obama's SS# is from CT is because that's where his application was processed. The possibility that Obama was in New England during the time he was visiting colleges does not seem that farfetched.
Also, as has already been pointed out, Hawaiian officials do not look at the parent and jot down their race. (Maybe that's the way you favor doing it, but perhaps where you live you never knew any white person who looked black or black person who looked white.) They allowed the individual to specify their race, and at the time Obama was born, there was an African re-awakening, and many blacks identified as African, especially one who was in fact African.
Naturally, the right wing having been embarrassed at the release of Obama's long form, and poor Corsi just about to come out with a book on the subject, they now have to raise questions about the paper and other such nonsense. Well, we can look at anyone's birth certificate and we can create questions if we want. Why wasn't McCain's name listed in the Panama Canal register of birth's? Why did he only make his bc available to select people? Have we examined the paper? Have we compared it to other bc's of the time? Have we verified the signatures? Are there witnesses to his birth? Surely, we can find discrepancies if we choose to engage in that sort of corruption.
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