Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Sure it does.....Obama waited until enough prominent possible candidates (Sarah Palin, Mike Huckaby) had jumped on the bandwagon with Trump and did maximum damage to all of their credibility in one fell swoop.

Real World

If that were the case then why not hold it till someone were actually nominated? Why not hold it till the GOP picked a "birther" and then just release the LFBC during the run up to the main event? If you believe what you just said, then that would be the best and most effective strategy. Releasing it now, before anyone has officially entered the race, and a good 18 months before the actual election, makes no sense if damage to a nominee is what the admin was seeking. I think the admin has A) been watching Trump on TV pushing the issue with a level of effectiveness, B) is aware of the Corsi book that's soon to be released, and C) have seen the most recent polls that show only 38% of the public "definately" thinks Obama was born in the US, that they felt they could no longer use the issue to their advantage and had to release the LFBC. Hey, I could be wrong but that's how I see it.

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State

You're right, as usual, RW.

Trump is getting under their skin. And he's got the financial resources to go the distance.

But this is all Obama has. The stories of gas prices are only just beginning.

There is a trickle effect that this release won't staunch.

chicowalker

any context -- I don't think laws should be made for emotional reasons.

In this case, I don't think people like Trump should want abortion to be illegal (with his exceptions noted) for emotional reasons.

Real World

Oh I agree. I've long said that religion and emotion have no place in government. That religion = emotion basically. Each can guide you morally, and principlely, but neither should determine the law. So we agree there.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

State

Ever visit the Liberty Bell?

What do you make of the most prominent Scripture on it from Leviticus?

Whenever a POTUS delivers a state of the union address, boring affairs I wish they'd do like Jefferson did them (Have Mrs. PatsFaninVirginny google it for you.), there's an inscription the TV cameras avoid showing directly above him: In God We Trust.

Across from his is an image of Moses receiving the Ten Commandments, which can also be seen inside the Supreme Court builiding, albeit with a lot of other religious imagery.

The idea that religion has no place in gubmit is not something that the Founders considered just and reasonable.

chicowalker

What exactly do you think "the Founders" considered to be the proper role of religion in government?

Regardless of your answer, hopefully you recognize that (i) "the Founders" weren't of some single, monolithic point of view and (ii) the Founders weren't infallible

edit: and also that the world was a different place at that time. Even people who weren't particularly religious (a description that applies to several of the founders) would regularly invoke god in various ways.

Real World

I think religion can be a compass of sorts, but it shouldn't dictate the law, nor involve itself in the day to day operations of a government.

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