State

It's an emotional issue. Often religious leaders speak out against it. (My rabbi nearly froths at the mouth in her denunciations.)

Yet, teacher, it seems to work.

Death Penalty Deters Murders, Studies Say - CBS News

Up to 18 lives saved for each execution.

And here's an interesting anecdote of a would-be murderer doing some research to find out if Illinois is a state that has the death penalty.

Man accused of stalking woman before killing her in Oak Brook - Chicago Sun-Times

I think it's clear that most murderers are still agents with some reasoning, so it's not unreasonable to think they'd take into account what their punishment could be.

I personally don't think we execute enough people. There's a lot of rotten scum out there who spill innocent blood. Why not the noose?

Just make sure the physics is right--size, weight, physical conditioning--and the guy isn't decapitated like happened in Iraq. Everything boils down to physics, brothers.

Harry Boy

The positive thing about putting a murderer to death is it is a sure way to know that the killer bastard will never kill again.

But, before a person is sentenaced to death it should be "Guilt Without A Doubt"

When a known without a doubt killer is sentenced to die the execution should take place in a matter of days after being sentenced not twenty years later.

THREE CHEERS FOR THE DEATH PENALTY WHEN DONE THE KILLER WILL KILL NO MORE, THAT IS A FACT.

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reflexblue

Fry the Bastards...Kill Kill Kill Killlllll !!!!!!!! He said kill and i said kill and he said kill and i said kill and pretty soon we was both jumping up and down screaming kill kill kill

Harry Boy

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DarrylS

The problem with the death penalty is the cost to the state.. here is an example that I am very familiar with.

Here is a kid I knew in the 70's, follow this case and try to compute the cost.. at one time during his trial for capitol murder the PD offered to fly me to Fla to testify on his behalf in fact they subpoened me. I refused as a supboena does not have any authority across state lines.. they did fly down some people I used to work with.

The Commission on Capital Cases updates this information regularly

In another case of a girl I worked with she was charged with Capitol Murder and they flew four of us to Richmond, Va. and put us up for 4 days with per diem. None of us had anything to offer, and she was convicted, but did not get the death penalty.

Every step is extremely costly, and by the time they do the deed it exceeds the cost of keeping the inmate alive..

Not sure how these conclusions were reached.. difficult concept to study, and even more difficult to define the effect. There are so many variables to control and consider.

BTW this is a 2007 article..

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State

Yeah, it costs more to execute someone, with the automatic appeals and the like people on the left have mandated, than to keep them in jail for life.

I acknowledge that. So what?

How much is saved if deterrence works, as it apparently does? How much is saved in murders that don't occur?

It's complicated.

DarrylS

Was not aware that this was a partisan issue, the safeguards have been put in place by the Supreme Court... who provide that each case be vigorously defended.

I am not convinced that you can quantify that it is a deterrent. There are studies on both sides of the article that can argue both sides of this issue. During this time when most states are facing a budget crunch, the last thing they probably want to do is subsidize the legal efforts of convicted murders.

Personally prefer prisons like Florence, Colorado for the hardest of the hardcore murderers... it is cheaper, and the death is prolonged.

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State

You weren't aware that the courts were partisan?

What planet have you been living on? The Burger Court? Come on, Darryl!

Busing? Doesn't Boston know a thing or two about that? Libs in their white enclaves like Arthur Garrity forcing children to take very long bus rides for force integration?

How'd that work out? When judges blunder, the remedy is impeachment :: Jeff Jacoby

Of course, the Warren Burger Supreme Court wasn't left-wing enough for our current president, who looks more and more like a one-termer to me.

Obama On Tape In 2001: Warren Court Not Radical Enough Nice Deb

State

You're wrong. Lately the spate of studies that I linked to on CBS News show that there is indeed a deterrence effect.

The argument now seems to be how much.

But you need to do some research to make a statement that is non-verifiable. What studies in particular are you referring to? There are multiple ones that I can reference.

Here's another link telling you there have been a dozen studies all showing a deterrence effect for capital punishment since 2001. Studies spur new death penalty debate - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

I guess I'm more progressive on this issue than you, Darryl, you old dinosaur.

State

How heartless is this when people argue that execution is too expensive even if there might deter some other crimes?

Where's a compassionate liberal when one needs one? Isn't spending a few extra million worth it to save anywhere from three to 18 lives? (The est. of how many are saved from would-be murderers.)