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Old 04-02-2011, 12:49 PM   #1
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.22 bullet found in Fossgate, York (From York Press)


22 bullet found in Fossgate, York
8:57am Friday 21st January 2011

A STARTLED man has told how he found a bullet lying in a York city-centre street.

Tim Stark said he was unloading items into the MOR Music store where he works in Fossgate yesterday morning when he spotted what he believed to be a live .22 bullet gleaming in a puddle.

He said he immediately called police, who came and took it away.

“I have no idea what it was doing there,” he said.

A North Yorkshire Police spokesman said the bullet had been put into safe storage, and CID had confirmed it was not thought to be connected with any incident currently under investigation.

He asked anyone with any information about the bullet and how it came to be in Fossgate to phone the force on 0845 60 60 47.


A picture of the bullet


Tim Stark shows where he found the item in a puddle by the side of Fossgate, York.

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I can think of a few states where you might see a similar news story in the next 10-20 years.
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What ever happened to England, they once ruled half the world.
They have gone complete batty about "Health and Safety".
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I don't have any links, but I hear since they outlawed guns that the violent crime rate has doubled.

You can no longer possess a handgun even if it is left in your home for self defense.

A ,22 caliber bullet found on the street makes headlines and the police are actually investigating. Seems absurd.

Is Great Brittan on the right track, I don't think so.
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I don't have any links, but I hear since they outlawed guns that the violent crime rate has doubled.

You can no longer possess a handgun even if it is left in your home for self defense.

A ,22 caliber bullet found on the street makes headlines and the police are actually investigating. Seems absurd.

Is Great Brittan on the right track, I don't think so.
thanks , Fox News
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I don't have any links, but I hear since they outlawed guns that the violent crime rate has doubled.

You can no longer possess a handgun even if it is left in your home for self defense.

A ,22 caliber bullet found on the street makes headlines and the police are actually investigating. Seems absurd.

Is Great Brittan on the right track, I don't think so.
The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online



Gun Control's Twisted Outcome - Reason Magazine

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Gun crime is just part of an increasingly lawless environment. From 1991 to 1995, crimes against the person in England's inner cities increased 91 percent. And in the four years from 1997 to 2001, the rate of violent crime more than doubled. Your chances of being mugged in London are now six times greater than in New York. England's rates of assault, robbery, and burglary are far higher than America's, and 53 percent of English burglaries occur while occupants are at home, compared with 13 percent in the U.S., where burglars admit to fearing armed homeowners more than the police. In a United Nations study of crime in 18 developed nations published in July, England and Wales led the Western world's crime league, with nearly 55 crimes per 100 people.
Note: handguns were outlawed in 1997.

This article was written in 2002. It has only gotten worse.
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Note: handguns were outlawed in 1997.

This article was written in 2002. It has only gotten worse.
What does the above have to do with gun laws? From the Daily Mail article you quouted:

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But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.
New Home Secretary Alan Johnson is to make his first major speech on crime today

New Home Secretary Alan Johnson is to make his first major speech on crime today

In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.

There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.

Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning.

But Police Minister David Hanson said: 'These figures are misleading.
Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.

'Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. That is why last year we published 'Saving lives. Reducing harm. Protecting the public. An Action Plan for Tackling Violence 2008-11'.'
Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online

Here are some stats from the FBI about the Country we live in.

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Of the 13,636 murder victims in 2009 for which supplemental data were received, most (77.0 percent) were male.
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Of the homicides for which the FBI received weapons data, most (71.8 percent) involved the use of firearms. Handguns comprised 70.5 percent of all firearms used in murders and nonnegligent manslaughters in 2009
Expanded Homicide Data - Crime in the United States 2009

Most of the "violent crime" in the UK is good old fisticuffs.

Forgot to add this tidbit from the FBI report:

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Of the murders for which the circumstance surrounding the murder was known, 41.2 percent of victims were murdered during arguments (including romantic triangles) in 2009. Felony circumstances (rape, robbery, burglary, etc.) accounted for 22.9 percent of murders. Circumstances were unknown for 35.4 percent of reported homicides.

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What does the above have to do with gun laws?
Umm, because I was responding to this?

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You can no longer possess a handgun even if it is left in your home for self defense.

A ,22 caliber bullet found on the street makes headlines and the police are actually investigating. Seems absurd.

Is Great Brittan on the right track, I don't think so.
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What does the above have to do with gun laws? From the Daily Mail article you quouted:



Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online

Here are some stats from the FBI about the Country we live in.





Expanded Homicide Data - Crime in the United States 2009

Most of the "violent crime" in the UK is good old fisticuffs.

Forgot to add this tidbit from the FBI report:
I'd say a large part of those U.S. homicides can be tied to the disastrous War on Drugs.

Things in the U.K. might not be as rosy as you think.

Knife and gun crime have been under reported, police memo admits - Telegraph

Serious violent crime under-reported for a decade - Telegraph

Here are the homicide rates in the U.S. by state:

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State	 	           Murder
United States          5.5
Alabama                  8.0
Alaska                    4.0
Arizona                   7.0
Arkansas                 5.9
California                 5.8
Colorado                  3.2
Connecticut             3.8
Delaware                 6.5
District of Columbia 31.4
Florida               6.4
Georgia                   7.1
Hawaii                2.0
Idaho                     1.5
Illinois                 8.9
Indiana                    5.7
Iowa                       2.6
Kansas                    3.6
Kentucky                 4.9
Louisiana                12.7
Maine                      2.4
Maryland                  8.8
Massachusetts          2.6
Michigan                   5.7
Minnesota                 2.1
Mississippi                 8.9
Missouri                    7.8
Montana                   3.3
Nebraska                  4.0
Nevada                    6.3
New Hampshire          1.1
New Jersey           4.3
New Mexico               7.6
New York                  4.3
North Carolina            6.7
North Dakota             0.9
Ohio                         4.9
Oklahoma                  5.9
Oregon                     2.3
Pennsylvania             5.8
Rhode Island             3.0
South Carolina           6.9
South Dakota            4.8
Tennessee                6.6
Texas                      5.6
Utah                        1.5
Vermont                   2.8
Virginia                    4.8
Washington              3.0
West Virginia            4.2
Wisconsin            2.6
Wyoming                 2.3
Source: U.S. Statistical Abstract
http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/11s0304.pdf

The states in bold are "no issue" for concealed carry. Curious that two are well below average, one is a little below average and two of them are well above average (one of them has the highest in the country).
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