PatsFanInVa

Who favors 100% U.S. millitary non-intervention? Please weigh in here. Does anyone here favor the immediate retraction of all U.S. force to within our territory, territorial/perhaps international waters, and territorial/international airspace?

By the way, I stipulate that "Bush is the same as Obama" on this count. Neither favored 100% non-intervention.

The question is, do you?

PFnV

DarrylS

As a long time pacifist, I favor closing out most of our 700 overseas bases, particularly the ones that have no strategic value. I favor withdrawal from Afghanistan, Iraq and not getting involved in Libya.

The reality is at over 2 billion dollars a week for these wars has wrecked out economy.. this along with the tremendous "legacy costs" for our military will cause economic harm on our budget for years to come. No one ever talks about the needs of our veterans systems of care for the future.. this costs will be tremendous.

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PatriotsReign

It depends on your definition of "non-intervention". By your definition, would it be acceptable for us to retaliate if we were attacked by a foreign terrorist group?

I don't believe it has to be "all or nothing" and the fact is, "Yes or No" aren't the only relevant answers to your question.

I'm all for closing most of our foreign bases, but it doesn't have be all of them. If we have 700 of them, then let's start by cutting that number to 100. If we just walk away from all that we are now involved in, what are the potential negative consequences? I would LOVE to see ALL our troops come home from Iraq & Afghanistan, but is that the best thing for us to do from any perspective (national or international)?

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Harry Boy

It's the reason the world hates us, we pretend to be worldly do-gooders saving humanity when in all reality we are constantly killing somebody and getting our own troops killed, we should only go to war to defend and protect OUR OWN.

We should be concentrating on The Invasion Of America by illegal aliens and the Raping Of The American People by The Drunks, The Sex Perverts, The Thieves, The Racists and all of the other rotten PIGS that we elect to run our country.

The starry eyed ballwashing liberal fools thought they were finally getting their dreamboat president when they voted for this sap Obama all they got was another GW Bush.

OUR ENEMY WILL BE BACK YOU CAN BET ON IT (I call them our enemy it isn't politically correct to mention them we don't want to offend them)

Our troops should be grought home from all of Obama's wars, PROTECT OUR OWN BORDERS.

WHERE DID ALL THE PROFESSIONAL WAR PROTESTERS GO--------

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PatsFanInVa

I can respect both Darryl's and PR's points of view on this. I basically am closer to PR's position. PR, in answer to your question, let's say one can counter-strike if there's a strike on your own soil, as in 9/11. But no grab-and-hold campaign against 2 sovereign nations that didn't do it -- perhaps you work with the nations sheltering the bad guys. Perhaps you pressure them. Perhaps if all else fails you announce a retaliatory policy where you whack them to the tune of an equivalently bloody nose. But you can't very well justify occupation of nation-states in reaction to a criminal gang, in this just-short-of-pacifist policy statement.

I cannot respect Harry's "position" such as it is, since it seems to arise solely from the part of the brain we share with reptiles (i.e., no cognition seems to have gone into it, just a reflex fear/hate response to whatever he's identified as a an enemy or a food source.)

Regardless of what your cardboard-cutout prototypical political betes noire "thought", Harry, what do you think? (and by the way, Obama ran right down the center, saying "wrong war," not "no war." You know this, and so do the peaceniks who held their noses and voted for him anyway.)

But again, Harry, what do you think?

Should we have a policy of 100% non-intervention?

PFnV

Harry Boy

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PatriotsReign

I agree with your thoughts on attacking/holding foreign nations accountable for terrorists attacks. Terrorists don't represent nations. And working with countries for their help with terrorism is a very good idea. It shows respect rather taking a "bully-approach"...and I believe we need more of that.

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Harry Boy

I'm sorry, I'm not as nice as most people when I see these bastards in their suit and ties sitting behind their desks sending our young people off to war to be killed for some half ass country inhabited by a culture that thrives on killing each other.

PROTECT AMERICA AND IT'S PEOPLE GOD DAMN THE REST OF THE WORLD THEY ALL HATE US ANYWAY, LET CHINA POLICE THE SAVAGES IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME FROM AROUND THE WORLD THEN PUT THEM ON GUARD DUTY ON ALL OF OUR BORDERS, SEA PORTS AND AIRPORTS PROFILE ALL PEOPLE ENTERING THIS COUNTRY, NEVER NEVER ALLOW ANOTHER 9/11 WE LIVE IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORLD THAN WE DID 50 YEARS AGO THE OCEANS NO LONGER PROTECT US THE WORLD IS MUCH SMALLER AND YOU CAN REST ASSURED THEY WILL BE BACK TO KILL MORE OF US IF WE KEEP OUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND TRY TO DENY THEY EXIST.

GOD WILLING DEATH TO AMERICA THE GREAT SATAN (they'll be back"

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sdaniels7114

Not only am I against a complete non-interventionist policy, I've been rethinking my stance on Iraq lately. How can anyone be certain that this wave of democracy in the ME wasn't somehow triggered by his Bumbling?

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Harry Boy

Barack Hussein Obama is a poltically correct JOKE, Geraldine Ferarro had the courage to stand up to it and she was sent to the woodshed by the slobbering left wing liberals for doing so, now we all have to pay, we can only pray that the clown doesn't cause WWIII or bring about another 9/11, he's done more harm to this country in two years than GW Bush or even Jimmy Carter could do in a lifetime.

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