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I read about this on another website, and now here it is in the NY Post. The murder rate for the general population in this country is 5.84 per 100,000 overall, and 7.67 for males. The murder rate for soldiers is 1.34, with all of them being committed by males. Hmmm....I guess with things looking better on the front lines, and no Abu Graib pictures to post, the NYT needs to twist facts and gets in soldier smearing jones on.

(NYT) SMEARING SOLDIERS

THE GRAY LADY'S KILLER-GI LIE

Ralph Peters

January 15, 2008 -- THE New York Times is trashing our troops again. With no new "atrocities" to report from Iraq for many a month, the limping Gray Lady turned to the home front. Front and center, above the fold, on the front page of Sunday's Times, the week's feature story sought to convince Americans that combat experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan are turning troops into murderers when they come home.

Heart-wringing tales of madness and murder not only made the front page, but filled two entire centerfold pages and spilled onto a fourth.

The Times did get one basic fact right: Returning vets committed or are charged with 121 murders in the United States since our current wars began.

Had the Times' "journalists" and editors bothered to put those figures in context - which they carefully avoided doing - they would've found that the murder rate that leaves them so aghast means that our vets are five times less likely to commit a murder than their demographic peers.

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In other words, the Times unwittingly makes the case that military service reduces the likelihood of a young man or woman committing a murder by 80 percent.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01152008...ers_265875.htm

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STFarmy

I read that article. It's pretty sickening, but alas, not surprising.

Harry Boy

When Illegal Aliens Rape & Murder They Bury It On Page 900 Or They Don't Report It At All.

Wht Don't These Anti American Sore Losing Left Wing Bastards From The NY Times Do A Survey On The California Gang Bangers And Their Murders.

The NY Times Is Sinking Fast And They Are In Shock, the new media is kicking the ***** out of them and showing them up for what they really are, "a left wing anti american RAG only good for cleaning up dog *****"

Their circulation has dropped into the bottom of the pile
(LEFT WING GARBAGE)

The NY Times flew their flag at Half Staff the day they hung Saddam.


This is the NY Times>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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This is an instance where facts can be twisted to support a false conclusion. Anyone reading that NYT article who doesn't know the actual murder rates of the country, would come away thinking that the wars are turning soldiers into mad murderers when they come home. Now, granted, I know soldiers who come back from war do have some mental issues, and need counseling and help, but they don't come out shooting people. This article is another example of the media slanting information to fit an agenda. All types do it, which is why you need to read as many sources as possible, and draw your own conclusions.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

STFarmy

No kidding. I know firsthand how that kind of stress can affect someone, my father was a Marine in Vietnam during the Tet Offensive. He's very functional, he raised a family and has retired successfully, as all of his hard work deserves. But still, I know he still has some lingering effects from his time in the war.

But the NYT was just doing their typical thing, twisting facts to fit an agenda.

mtbykr

Not surprised....really sad though!

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DarrylS

What is the source of these stats.. not arguing, just interested in the source.

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I was actually off by a bit. I think my homocide rate was old. It was actually higher than I stated. In 2006 it was 6.1% according to the FBI. I said it was 5.84.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_16.html

Doh! I should have taken my own advice and not believed what I read. I said the male rate was 7.67 right? Well, I was wrong again. In 2006, it was worse. According to the US Department of Justice, it was 11.9%. Now that I think about it, I think the 7.67 figure was for a specific age group inside the male demographic.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicid...es/osextab.htm

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wistahpatsfan

It's not just the NYT as RW states. Nearly every media or "news" outlet does it to some degree. The best thing you can hope for is to reduce the bias as much as possible. And then read some science magazine that tells truths so your head will stop spinning from the bullsh-t from the left and right slanted media whores.

Stokes

Got some bad news for you wistah, this is from the Sept 14th edition of the Wall Street Journal. Someone forwarded me the article so I don't have a link, but this sums it up:

"Most Science Studies
Appear to Be Tainted
By Sloppy Analysis
September 14, 2007; Page B1

We all make mistakes and, if you believe medical scholar John Ioannidis, scientists make more than their fair share. By his calculations, most published research findings are wrong.

Dr. Ioannidis is an epidemiologist who studies research methods at the University of Ioannina School of Medicine in Greece and Tufts University in Medford, Mass. In a series of influential analytical reports, he has documented how, in thousands of peer-reviewed research papers published every year, there may be so much less than meets the eye.

These flawed findings, for the most part, stem not from fraud or formal misconduct, but from more mundane misbehavior: miscalculation, poor study design or self-serving data analysis. "There is an increasing concern that in modern research, false findings may be the majority or even the vast majority of published research claims," Dr. Ioannidis said. "A new claim about a research finding is more likely to be false than true."

The hotter the field of research the more likely its published findings should be viewed skeptically, he determined.

Take the discovery that the risk of disease may vary between men and women, depending on their genes. Studies have prominently reported such sex differences for hypertension, schizophrenia and multiple sclerosis, as well as lung cancer and heart attacks. In research published last month in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Ioannidis and his colleagues analyzed 432 published research claims concerning gender and genes.

Upon closer scrutiny, almost none of them held up. Only one was replicated."

I've personally seen problems with many of the papers I read, though I can only speak for my field. Just goes to show you can't take as fact things that are published in peer reviewed journals, even the best ones like Cell, Science, and Nature.