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wistahpatsfan · 03-10-2011, 02:27 PM

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...But for all the self described Christians in this country, I still doubt they are responsible for more deaths than the Muslims on our own soil. There is that one big one that got over 3,000 of us alone...

They were NOT AMERICANS who did that!

chicowalker · 03-10-2011, 02:27 PM

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KKK was the remnants of the Confederacy.
You know...the South. I don't think the people were drawn to it for it's Christian message but rather for it's anti Yankee sentiment and plans for further rebellion.

I agree re the Christian message part, that's part of what I was saying

chicowalker · 03-10-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan

They were NOT AMERICANS who did that!

prove it

Holy Diver · 03-10-2011, 02:41 PM

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JOBS? Look- it's time you got it through your thick skull that your so-called "jobs" are gone and won't be coming back, so grow up and get a job in a hospital or insurance company, K?

When Mr. King's done performing his Constitutional duty of scaring his constituents about Muslims, he'll be getting back to the important work of proving Obama's a Canadian and sent by the Mexican secret Service to destroy American "family values" and "freedom"......and killing old people and puppies.

Typical librul dreamer.

Wistah, you're KILLING it!

This would be hilarious if it wasn't so real.

***363839*** · 03-10-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chicowalker

Agreed with your take here re many Christians, particularly today, and the KKK. Two things, though.

First, in its heyday, many Christians who would have agreed with your take on Christianity -- and probably acted that way towards other whites -- not oinly were OK w/the KKK but were probably members.

As I have stated in my previous post, the people in the South were a defeated nation and they were very bitter about the war even to this day.
So I think a lot of it was spite. Remember what Sherman did? I'd be pretty pissed off too and I think you would also had that happened to us. But I really don't want to defend the KKK just trying to answer your question without further indicting Christianity.

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Second, don't you think many Muslims, especially American Muslims, feel exactly the same way towards Islam Extremists? I think that's something King and the rest of the Islam haters so often ignore.

No I don't. There may be some moderate muslims that disagree with certain aspects of their religions message but basically the Koran tells them that they must convert the infidel or kill him. Now I've never seen the passage myself but I have heard from many so called experts who say it is there.
Christianity says remove the dust from your sandals if they don't convert. IOW move on and don't look back. That is far and away from killing someone for not converting. (Assuming I didn't create a strawman here).
But my biggest concern, even if they are moderate muslims in America is that they will be co-opted via threats of harm and death to them and their families if they don't comply with some extremists position. Kind of like what the mob does to Sicilians who don't want to cooperate with their will.

Here is another example showing the difference between the 2 groups...Were there any *right wing posters advocating the actions of that dip***** in Westboro who saw fit to take his congregation to the funerals of our fallen soldiers? No. Did they state their distaste for this man's actions. I seem to remember that they did.
Compared with the reaction of Muslims after 9/11, there was no condemnation from any of them until people started saying something about it. But there was a video, IIR, of a group of Muslims in NYC actually cheering our national tragedy on.

* I realize not all right wingers are Christians but it is a large base for that side of the political spectrum and I'm reasonably certain at least some of our right wing posters are Christians..

PS_ I really shouldn't say "No I don't" I should just say I really don't know but from what I've seen, no.

***reflexblue*** · 03-10-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 363839

KKK was the remnants of the Confederacy.
You know...the South. I don't think the people were drawn to it for it's Christian message but rather for it's anti Yankee sentiment and plans for further rebellion.

The KKK may have started that way but the bottom line is that they are a White Supremist Chrstian group that hates Blacks, Jews, and Catholics. They are resopnsible for such acts as dynamiting a Sunday school killing five kids, shooting civil rights workers, lynchings and torching houses in the middle of the night while the occupants slept.

The whole premis of this thread is that Other Religious groups commit acts of terror, so why stop at just investigating Muslims...hes a Hypocrit looking to get votes out of demonizing a group of people. Thats all this is about getting re-elected, ive never heard this guy talk about anything else. He and Ruddie Guliani should move in toghether.

Heres how the conversation would go betweenthese Two.....

King.....Muslims

Guliani.......9/11

KING.....Muslims.

***363839*** · 03-10-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chicowalker

I agree re the Christian message part, that's part of what I was saying

IDK- You could be right then.

Gainzo · 03-10-2011, 02:59 PM

It's been said before and I will say it again: Religion has caused more death in the World than anything else.

My God is better than yours and if you don't like it I will kill you

PatsWSB47 · 03-10-2011, 03:06 PM

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I don't know the history of the KKK, so I could be wrong, but I don't think they had to do much outreach to be accepted by the mainstream. I think they were the mainstream.

After the early secret society brotherhood days the Klan never hid the fact that they were a supremacist organization and they made no apologies for it. It wasn't really until the early 1900' that they ever did burn a cross so they weren't very religious early on. They seriously hadn't hijacked Christianity until the 80's when they latched onto the "Christian Identity", a fascist pseudo christian group that likes to hide behind bible quotes to justify it's hate. The Klan had lost much power and was looking for anything to give them credibility in the new south, so they found religion. They were much more main stream in pre-1900 but had lost most of that status beginning with the civil rights movement in the 60's.

chicowalker · 03-10-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 363839

As I have stated in my previous post, the people in the South were a defeated nation and they were very bitter about the war even to this day.
So I think a lot of it was spite. Remember what Sherman did? I'd be pretty pissed off too and I think you would also had that happened to us. But I really don't want to defend the KKK just trying to answer your question without further indicting Christianity....

That may have been its start, but it pretty soon became nothing more than a hate group.

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... No I don't. There may be some moderate muslims that disagree with certain aspects of their religions message but basically the Koran tells them that they must convert the infidel or kill him. Now I've never seen the passage myself but I have heard from many so called experts who say it is there.
Christianity says remove the dust from your sandals if they don't convert. IOW move on and don't look back. That is far and away from killing someone for not converting. (Assuming I didn't create a strawman here).
But my biggest concern, even if they are moderate muslims in America is that they will be co-opted via threats of harm and death to them and their families if they don't comply with some extremists position. Kind of like what the mob does to Sicilians who don't want to cooperate with their will.

Here is another example showing the difference between the 2 groups...Were there any *right wing posters advocating the actions of that dip***** in Westboro who saw fit to take his congregation to the funerals of our fallen soldiers? No. Did they state their distaste for this man's actions. I seem to remember that they did.
Compared with the reaction of Muslims after 9/11, there was no condemnation from any of them until people started saying something about it. But there was a video, IIR, of a group of Muslims in NYC actually cheering our national tragedy on.

* I realize not all right wingers are Christians but it is a large base for that side of the political spectrum and I'm reasonably certain at least some of our right wing posters are Christians..

PS_ I really shouldn't say "No I don't" I should just say I really don't know but from what I've seen, no.

I haven't known a ton of Muslims in my life, but the ones I have known were just like "regular Americans" of any other religion.

As for 9/11, I don't remember video of Muslims in NY cheering -- but your comparison is apples and oranges if you're comparing people on this board with some random people elsewhere.

You don't think there are other Christians in the US who cheer on the Westboro as*holes, or at least agree with them?

did you read the #s cited in the piece pats42 linked?

re condemnation, examples of Muslims condemning terrorism have posted many times here. If you then want to hold them to a standard of not only condemining, but condemning within a certain period of time, I think you're holding them to a different standard than is expcted of other groups.

Are all Catholics held culpable for the actions of many Cathoic priests? or for that church leadership's coverups? Are catholics blamed for not outing the peterasts soon enough or being complicit?